Guillem Balague | Pep Guardiola, Football Journalism & La Liga | Energized Show

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What is up and welcome to the latest Energized Show! On this episode we have Guillem Balague on the show to discuss Working with Pep Guardiola for his book, How he got into football journalism & The news from the La Liga. Check it out, enjoy, subscribe for more and as always…

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okay what's going on guys and welcome to a brand new episode of energized today we have a very special guest on the show we have journalist author and the league expert Geum Bala gay I am Harry Xun hello all right all right how are you both doing you okay yeah well I'm healthy happy kind of plain what were you married yeah just sustained as active as you can and then I get some great guests on the show like yourself the idea is to yeah I think we we all got it now have a little bit of routine exercise and make sure that you activate your mind because the think I've just read this morning but the first thing that that shoots down is your brain by repeating the same things your brain starts going into a hibernation and then everything started to be very very difficult to actually come back to normal if you let your brain - hi Renee yeah yeah definitely not yeah it's very important stay active both mentally and physically and all these pains have no fun foam yeah how are you getting on there and what what's you like yeah we're okay our family my My partner myself here who have spent 25 days now in in this apartment in polymers this is the costa brava it's about about an hour and a half from Barcelona north of Barcelona we are fine this area it's it's not a resort area yeah but it multiplies with people that come in the summer so as they haven't been coming everybody stayed home this is not very dense part of the world which means that hasn't been any problem with supplies hospitals have been reached the the top level and also it hasn't been many many cases I must say but but you know we have to be alerted and our president said yesterday that even though we should pursue the 26th of April or his supposed to come back to tell us what to do the warnings that the self-isolation will continue so just take it day by day we cannot what whatever we cannot control we just don't worry about and just yeah as we were saying deal with the day to day as it comes have you been doing much work earlier yeah having stopped no they ops in fact today you have to talk to you doing that one thing about the club and then because were united that is that I'm chairman of and then I'm gonna try to take the afternoon three means reading for the book that I'm writing but at least it's just reading God he has been a I've had to restructure will work a little bit because La Liga TV obviously we're not doing games but there were some some stuff that we had half prepared I've got a show in La Liga to be called talking football in which I've spoken to Iniesta cherry we went to Qatar we went with Rafa Benitez and mister who was a strike and millennium talked about Valencia time I was with Joaquin and got Leo Petty's we had to put all that together do some voiceovers then my papers gone into a logical at for law basically debates half but they expect the same so I still called sport the paper so I'm doing work for them as I said preparing stuff for the for the book the the club also has had we were in the middle of our restructuring so we had to put some calls on that as well and maybe see we do it now the Euro leaks podcast show and radio show on Sundays so that's also keeping me keeping me busy close those listening as well when when you see when you see that there is all the opportunities are there all the things that you can do with what you can offer you try to take advantage so Rakuten which is a platform like Netflix Azure all this they've the contact me to do a an interview show and you know we're talking about it so it's all possible let's go obviously someone who was you know immediately affected by Cobra 19 was Pettway Ola have you reached out to him and you know he's getting on yes as you all know his mom passed away she was she was quite weak already yet but nobody expected it to happen as quick as these he was in her 80s I think she was 82 and I cannot imagine I don't want to imagine what it means to say someone to somebody like that goodbye without being able to be there because also usually yes they is family were always very generous with the time especially the parents especially is that well until likes to talk I'd like to talk about he's shown or less to talk about you know he's the past together etc mom was always in the background a little bit but she was a we were in in a factory locally until you know crushed in the 70s and after that paperboard Yola never looked after them from that point of view his dad was a bricklayer until very late he build he's on beyond the house were they with a leaf and and they just want the fame of Peabody other started they just let him obviously be they didn't want any protagonism of any kind they were there there were decision decisive moments in their lives had to do his mom of course like when Bertram efest approached the family to take him to her throne where he lived in some payload about an hour long it doesn't seem along now but it was a long trip in the bush perhaps you were longer which when they had to leave their twelve-year-old go to earth Ilona to train there and perhaps even stay there so she said no at the beginning he wasn't prepared he was he did a trial and was extra nervous he always gets and couldn't sleep and this is a twelve-year-old people as you can imagine I says you know perhaps would Bobby Moore hair but as excitable as he is now pumps no and and then when they came back a second time before they did I said if they don't come back for fairness and come back I won't be available and they did come back parents are down mom said yeah he's ready now and they let him go and it was difficult for him to be at twelve thirteen away from his family they travel every week but after that he just became his own man obviously family was always there available whenever whenever was the time and he liked going back to shop adored and see them this football world takes so much of you but you're highly able to do that but when he did he enjoyed you know the day his parents especially his mom brought him down to earth you know he was not a bore deal anymore he was joosep did he live in la mesilla as well yeah he spent time in la mesilla and also talked about that period as as a day period because of that because he had to make his own friends they all go through it perhaps the most graph thinking of those there are many many cases but both Iniesta and mess he struggled him there for different reasons Messi never leaves he la mesilla but had an apartment on his own once he decided to stay in Barcelona yeah when he decided to do so his family mom sister two brothers went to Argentina he was staying in a flooded with his dad that was hard for a while and in East as well as a 12 year old he really really struggled unpaved it took for a bit but he's you know he's an independent man strong man and and eventually just you know got to the hang of it are you from Barcelona yourself Kim I was born in the northern part of Arthur ona district called Orta which used to be a holiday place for the rich people of Barcelona and now is just a district that you can walk almost from from town in 25 minutes but used to be that that's where my parents emigrants both of them my mum from one Delphia south of Spain and my dad from the south of Catalonia trouble in the 1819 - Arthur honour to look for work settle there and marry very young and yeah we based ourselves there for 20 odd years in in the Spanish L fan and I well actually the the truth is I was a I was about thrown a farm as I was like as a kid because everybody's so you know I even though my dad was an Espanola fan I as a kid I would just be over from a fan and then there was a friendly in the 70s where with 105 one so my conclusion was panel is a better team so I became an espanol fan from that point on and even though we've been in the second division twice since and I've never felt sorry for that decision because defeats show you more about life than constant victories so I think a land more like being an espanol fund and you know held mingles with exactly where you're coming from right now as well how did you get into sports journalism as well again because when people like especially over here in Ireland the UK when they think of La Liga they just take your face it was a little bit of Block III I fell out of love with football when his partner lost the UEFA Cup final in 1998 I think it was against y11 cushion because if I tell you the story I mean it was used to be a return like so we played the first leg having beaten AC Milan of Barresi and Maldini all those well having beaten in turn as well on the way to the final we played by 11 cushion and we beat them three new in the first leg so don't deal isn't it plus when we arrived to lever cushion there was the didn't have season ticket holders proper season ticket holders well they are are people that work in the bio factory and they get given a ticket to go to the game so they we felt that it wasn't so much passion about it so we deserved that morally ethically and of course we had gone three nil in the first leg and and then it was nearly a half time in the second leg and then we could see the three goals and having left clementa was our manager for my national managers well later on he had left our two best players Loudred some Danish and Valverde who was then the manager of our 4runner recently yeah out of the squad altogether we don't know why mystery but we had nothing to bring from the bench so went to penalties and we're not lost so I for like for five years I've never wanted to watch football didn't want anything to do with football I went to England at the time not interested well in fact I thought which team actually wins here because I'm fed up with losing and I was Liverpool at the time in 91 when I first directed to England and then they stopped winning as well so that was a piercing a.m. oh yeah well it was a I thought this is not right but anyway got to 96 0 96 and I had done all kinds of jobs you know distributing bread and working that Pope and writing about all kind of things nothing to do with football and I started working for a magazine called humble on and which is now the label was bought by a click biting company and it's rubbish now it's not them but it used to be a very prestigious magazine and became their UK correspondent and in 96 in the euros I copy that and then a 96 sky started to in Spanish football they did it for a year with Rob Palmer and Jerry Armstrong from Manchester from the Granada studios and I rang them I said look I'm Spanish journalist I want to write about what you're doing and the producer Dave Lawrence invited me to go to the studios there was 97 of tour 97 so the season had started and he said you know come smartly and I was gonna do that but I didn't have smartly close I was I was you know I wasn't very I didn't have much money so I had a lot much longer beard at big glasses long hair to hear this picture somewhere with that and I've looked out of yeah I think it's in my webpage somebody put her there and I asked a friend of mine who always look very smart with his clothes can I have a jacket forgot forgetting that it was 20 stone and I wasn't so it look really big of me but anyway I look at good smart and now you got to sky and bright shows about to start and you go you should aim next to the percentage what you mean you're the guest of the show today all right have you done this before hundreds of times my debut of course yeah so they you know sat there and then a half time they've said look we thinking of doing a highlight show do you want to do it I thought about it for about a quarter of a second yeah yeah I'll do that they had asked about three other journalists they if the man said no for different reasons so you know if one of them yes perhaps my life would have been different but I smelled the opportunity and and then the rest of history because I started doing used to be to our shows with David bobbin which you probably wouldn't remember him but he was the first person touch punishable with me and eventually we created a show called la vista de la liga the rest is history that's that's great for people tune in right now to be like right when you get an opportunity take with both hands and I only think about for a quarter of a second yeah he goes like this do you want to do it yeah yeah yes I'll do it television very often apparently I did tell Dave much later on you knew you were taking a chance with somebody hand on this before and like you know I've done television for 30 years I knew you had didn't have any clue but they like the attitude so yeah exactly as you say you you take advantage of situations like this of course we get into the early ego because obviously things are on hold right now and Barcelona win the leaper two points the head of Real Madrid um what what sort of making of the league season this year because seems like Real Madrid Open getting a bit of backlash like across the cost from fans and media like yeah because they were used to perhaps many people got used to the fact that they they show superior and there was a time that they were well ahead that was miss constructed and miss analyzed in more in in the UK than in Ireland because people thought see is a rubbish leak and he wasn't he was just like imagine that had this season but twice of course they were gonna be better than anybody else this is the the air of my border video just a Marino and then of course later on and with Volusia Enrique they they they were well ahead of the rest when you had a from three of Neymar Lucia Juarez a messy it's impossible to compete almost yeah but why as happen is that both personal remedy that in different times of their recycling a process that seems to me more intelligently done by Real Madrid and Barcelona Barcelona they've they focus all their energies and money into keeping the old guard and now they realized that the old garden is replacing most of them and they don't know who to replace them with because the the facility to maneuver finances in fact the the crisis will really affect them they were the first ones to ask the players to reduce the wages and that's a sign that they needed they need cash straight away they had obviously a lot of a lot of work they're very worth big worth on in their squad and the facilities they've got but they don't have a liquid liquidity so they cannot really change the squad are easily so they're gonna be in trouble Plus none of your head butts yesterday six directors resign the President is on his own and there is a push to do new elections a year earlier this is one when we can go back to the games yeah so all and all seems a little bit of a mess meanwhile is a squad that looks tired doesn't have the energy that's required to win things the big things and remedied on the other hand they prepared they they're they're all a bit of an impasse you're still got you know Qasim IDO Modric cross buddy ready to bring the likes of a hockey me to write their bright back who complain that might as well all their guards as well they got young players out there who are be tested and that will definitely help them and do you think if the leaders continue and we will continue well I think the the need from clutches for the leak to continue and finish the television one is huge more for the other clubs are no more anomalies but still they need that money and they've been paid until the end of May but there's still another 25% that has to be paid and the television right holders they're not saying at all that they would play no matter what they want to see the games and somehow broadcast them possible daily so you can in a month and a half have it all played there's a protocol that Allah has prepared for that to happen but I just feel that everybody's very optimistic the I understand they need to prioritize this leak and having to finish it by the way because realize it we haven't been allowed our leads are NOLA Boyd sorry never existed so had to delete all the memories from it you go like that pressure bottom everything is deleted the gold trees null and void anyway Somalia but but yeah but Rona read La Liga the Federation won it to continue but they are preparing a case in which it's not start over next season if that's the case nobody has said nobody has indicated what would happen as in who win the league or who will go to Europe will they be allegations they'd be more specific in Italy were they talking about four scenarios than in Spain in that case so we'll have to wait but the the push from everybody's for for the league's to finish and they think that they can go back to playing at the end of May beginning of June or you know even end of June whenever it is they want to finish all the time is leaving p.m. you think the whole anymore quite clearly the UF has prioritized the domestic leagues and that's been a good thing to do because it may not be space for everything so that's the one that looks the most unlikely again the kind of a scenario that illega is preparing is one in which perhaps everybody gets together in 11 different hotels and then they go from training to the hotels from themselves to the games behind closed doors that's the certain thing there won't be fans if the system is to be continued and and at would more or less be completed as I say in a month and a half perhaps you fi will go for the same kind of a scenario of doing a going to Istanbul for a week or something and I'm played all day in one in one in one go nobody's committing to anything but it is not the priority that's interesting so it is more likely that the UEFA competitions get cancelled than domestic ones right now yeah I'm just looking at the Liga t like the top teams and if there was like a three year plan it seems like first it seems like barcelona have like sort of invest it had been with some players and hasn't really worked out well Madrid and the letter commentary it seemed like they've like almost plan for the future and it's like we Messi being a Barcelona and I think he's a one shot busy point Ronaldo like what sort of way to see his sort of career going because we love to talk about him even talked about him staying and like you be the man that people like would know the most mess you doesn't want to leave but Messi will I prefer not to have a very competitive team which at the moment it's doubtful a shade they invested in place and haven't got it right and that's absolutely true the clear case is continue you know our Tumelo the young they you know they can they can definitely improve the side they need a striker they would like their ID he got to be if they had the money to get laughter no Martina and Naima it's a good but they won't be able to do both of them possibly not even one unless there is a clear swap of players and that's more likely to happen with Inter that with ps2 so meanwhile they had put all the eggs in the basket of name to renew the this court to the level at any for the third to but remember i said earlier i may be elections if there are anything can happen they board is been criticized from all levels and from all quarters there is one candidate that will invite cherry amanda to be the manager if he does that like a very munich and bring some of the old players to be part of the set up but right now it's impossible to predict in any case messi wants to be part of whatever happens especially if it's positive and and makes barcelona candidates to win things do you think it's it's gonna turn around or he has enough time for that to happen because it seems like Liverpool are getting better and better like a Man City once they have a full team back and the perhaps days they're gonna be like competing as well it's not gonna be easy yeah but without having a fantastic team they managed to get to Sherry fans of the Champions League last season for instance and beating Liverpool three nil and I know it wasn't fair at all Liverpool where were very good in both games but you know then Bella scores the fourth goal and then we're talking our different story so football football is it's funny especially knockouts competitions I think we give too much importance to the Champions League to try to get big conclusions it's a knockout competition it depends what happens when your injuries and referees and so many things hence City perhaps the best team of the last two years except this season so the two years before that was the best team in Europe and they haven't been getting to semi-finals which was one of the targets Howdy's playing that well football is football is funny that way but to give yourself more chances to win you have to have things or do things better than I'd be doing in recent times yeah well Wade you see messy sort of career changing over the next few years so those songs he's gonna get bit slower today like where do you think he's gonna try and end up like don't roll away certain players have changed positions to adopted her age like some like Ryan Giggs he's done that already I remember in the book I did with with him and his family the biography we were talking in 2012 already about him changing from more of a midfielder which he is doing now he's doing the role of of cha V distributing the ball Iniesta beaten defenders in the difficult parts of midfield the Messi bit sometimes when new traditional day the loose shoe added played and he can do all that because you can but obviously is getting on so I have always put guitars as a turning point of his career it would be he would be 35 and that means you know perhaps a good sending off as well to do it in a well cook we will see I know that when he wanted Neymar to come in the message that name God was come over because in a couple of years there'll be no messy this was like and then you will be able to take charge of a team they wanted to come didn't happen and anything barcelona did enough for it to happen but the still will try with the same idea you know to share a couple of years with Messi and then and then would see Messi fields I've heard otherwise he'll be yelps team do you think Ronaldo leavin Riga as well has impacted Messi in any sorta way because memory like they were always score and trying to be each other do you think and not having that constant role every he's maybe it is maybe not as effect as gone for as much if you have that impression obviously you haven't had a look at the stats because she's still scoring the same goals you still doing the same thing he is now having to do more because the team is poorer so now he'd never never needed crystianna to to get to the heights that he's reached I'm sure he has helped to continue with those Heights because you know when you have a nemesis in your life you you you you aim to do the best all the time it keeps you you know that that he said of himself mercy that he misses Cristiano he would have done it with a Christian or anyway I think a lot most of the things that he's done but perhaps that extra bit it's helped and Christina not been there which is a law of life he happens he hasn't got the age for it and he probably bought Joe Enders are are seen if they can survive with him in there but they have put the market he could leave remedied reacted to every quickly saying it's not a kind of signing will go for so that's opportunity missed I don't feel want to go back to Manchester United or not they'll be interesting but certainly they don't she went this one to save a little bit the money that they put in into Cristiano every year doesn't mean that will happen because the transfer window right now means that swaps is what they aiming for people don't want to spend money on anything and I it's interesting that that un tiss feels that financially it's almost like a burden to a Christian on the side in one thing that's been rumored coil are easily is a swap with Barcelona between Neymar and reason do you think that's possibility because we even have me hit the ground roll and he is French and then does he have a strong desire to get Neymar back well as I'm saying in terms of transfers charts of stories there's no much happening so you could be boring to talk about something that's happening but in any case that's what we were after another like they would like to offer Griezmann and then save 7080 million or ninety million euros in the pursue of name but just these kind of swaps that will happen that will happen between clips that that they have a good relationship and peace your mother I don't have a good relationship a boil clause what was that like can Spain when Pierre she actually went above and beyond and paid the bio class because normally Spanish clubs are really around you know ridiculous boy a lot of the fat slobs would never pay we're not but did not change Spanish football forever change well football because all of a sudden there was more money in the in the market and then Tracy transfers started to to to happen it was it was disappointing from the point of view of of you know news gatherer if you like newspapers and so on because of course missing on or name I was big but also because you know all the relationships that you have built around Messi I saw a run name including named Ike himself to his teammates and to the club so he was difficult for the story to be followed exactly later on I heard already that told me how he found out about it he was in the first training session in the United States and Messi was running like they were doing the kind of running at the beginning to warm up and Missy approach where they said the Brazilian is leaving and then run away it's like what and I've already had just arrived to Barcelona so I wish he's fair and he said just he had to deal with that and he was completely out of the loop because it wasn't his business coaches in Barcelona they don't have much influence so he just had to wait until later have happened eventually and he had to react it and he did very well that's something I won the leak on the cop it very well but but yeah not having name has meant that Barcelona has been looking for a name and and continue came in and it didn't work out the ballet key I mean didn't work out so also I came just talking about the Spanish national team and obviously euros might happen this year they're being pushed back to next year like Ozzie being from Spain haven't been there for the Euro win World Cup win and then the Euro win again and some of the some of the calls are a part of that team are likely really just a bit well there disobey the last competition so make sure to Ramos for instance is there certain players in the Spanish team now that like you think are reading really gonna push on that team possibly help him win the Allianz next year I don't think so I don't think we've got a we've got a team to to win it and I know that you know Germany could say the same but they feel quite confident France have won it in their own way England for me a favourites but no I don't think Spain I've got what it takes and what it takes is very solid defense where you can highly consider goalkeeper that saves you because the miracle saves quality Co keepers we both have now been struggling they're number one and number two in in the hair and caper say it would be your number one both of them have a problem or half had a problem which is that the teams on play like Spain play but out of the two the one on the place closer to Spain is Chelsea so you've got you need a goalkeeper that that things that way the things proactive if that can pass the ball I know both of them can do it but I know also that the tier has had to develop all the parts of this game because passing version one that Manchester United were that interested in and still are not so output kept a head of the hair but they both you know still a year and have to go but the stroll at the moment we don't have clear goal scorers so you know the ves and the Torres they're not they got good strikers but but they don't didn't score regularly and the style is it's mixed with all the new things more country attack etc but I just feel that yeah it's not a it's not a strong team I mean we yes we we did win three tournaments in a row and that was amazing but the following three we've been failing miserably so now we are in the misra league misery mr. miserable face right now yeah well you know we're friends welcome to the party go ahead like obviously how Thiago room the strip on the strings Mayfield and then you still up he came Ramos at the back like which is a good like no application come up he goes come on now okay Ramos from the data it's only three ramps okay in what like what like maybe cathode less well see if he eventually get a bit yeah what order so whatever players in the Spain squad so people be definitely okay now for maybe some more popcorn players there like we haven't seen yet well I'm only see in the mall but but obviously there's a lot of hope good on on and so fatty it must be seventeen now and you can commute you can use him you can use him to be one of the three strikers in the 4-3-3 formation that they spend favors is the kind of I'm doing a book of marathon and he missed on the 78 World Cup and obviously in hindsight you think I could you Mason marijuana and there's not much fun in that debate even though straight away just after the World Cup he already became a big figure and International figure even when he was - was in Argentina but but it was on his time it would have been good though I feel to have him part of the 78 squad just just to see you know to learn and I think answer party should be part of the of the work of the European Championships Walcott was in the England squad yeah exactly yeah yeah got a story on that one so I met Alex from privately and in the Federation offices and we were doing an interview and he spent like ten minutes talking about this player and I didn't catch the name so didn't use it in the interview at all and of it anyway was off the record and and I polished the interview and the press officer they FA said why do you talk about the biggest news that he told you but he did tell me that Walcott was in this court because only 17 or whatever was at the time await him but he was in love with him so and so you know sometimes less from various just to listen to everything and if you don't hear it well just ask again who did you would you say who you talk about Chile you said Fatih is one person as there is there any other players well at that level I was true to find somebody somebody else because a lot of the players that are going to come to the to the reckoning the group there they have been around for a while you know Jared Moreno maybe one more alte maybe another one a midfield you mentioned Thiago but on the gays second strong gaze so who I like very much complain in different positions cocky of course you know the names the nice have been days the ones that in terms of who could just you know coming to scene and foreign tourists is the other one maybe a volunteer the the right winger foreign tourists and and so fatty would be a very brave to play both of them but it will be good to have them in in this no you see much of a run but Ferraris it's not a typical winger but he can be he's fast put a very crocheting gets into the ball scores but if you want to relieve this contract the two young stars of Spain yeah and just know the question on the Spanish team obviously when when Barcelona were taking on Real Madrid like when like Mourinho was in charge and pepper right there was absolutely massive friction was there that also lead into the senior team at the national team as well not really because that was in the middle of all the winning era so paper they all start in 2008 with Barcelona and Mourinho arrived in 2009 sent from the mistaken or 1011 so that was still in the middle of that process because we won the euros 2012 and I know that marina did his utmost to create a vision in this court and was upset that a Casillas was still friendly with Charlie even though one of the one of the tools that Mourinho was using at the time was has always uses is to to create an atmosphere which you know as you against the world and at the time he painted a picture of our Falana were favoured by the authorities that that you know that cheated and burlap so if you create that atmosphere you place you buy it because they don't and then collapses but the players of remedy didn't really fully buy it for a while they did until they were company was like but they they're all mates you know Casillas and and share we know each other since they were 15 so they spoke they said look enough of the accusations behind-the-scenes players agreed to that Morini was very upset because he wanted more of that division but yeah became spent to divide the country and for a while he succeeded sounds very funny when a PK and Ramos Floyd up side-by-side because you mean like whenever class Co was on they were on each other's throats and they not particularly good friends I mean they're not like fantastic friends they wouldn't go out holidays together you know but they they realize that they had to represent two different ways of being two different boys been Spanish too from ways of playing even but by yeah they they found a common ground and they stood in that common ground and didn't often leave it because otherwise it would have been difficult for them to to create some kind of connection it's most one thing about Spain at the moment is that you know back in that era I'd say Barcelona and Real Madrid made him put that with 80% of the team and now it's our be closed from in Fiji presented the team so like players remember Spain else but I come from all over Spain as opposed to just those two teams yeah but that's partly because the the other teams have managed to sort out finances so they can offer good contracts and remedy Amara you know how many players can they have happy 13 14 maybe and a lot of them are the best around foreigners so all this have gone for for the Spanish and that paying well so Via Rail for instance in the last two or three games they they had a 11 of Spanish players and some of them like how to raise a centre-back should be in the national team Catherine as well cause general Moreno so they happy to be in those kinds of clubs you can say the same of you know of melanthius every year they keeping some Spanish players there as well that the generally in all the time she would have been Barcelona or Madrid so the distribution of wealth means that the distribution of talent and it's also taking part yeah I'm just worried wrap things up I can't let you go whereas this who would be like you've interviewed so many like world-class players who'd be like the top five players you've ever interviewed to five players can it be managers as well or players well if there are former players former players only okay interviewed Messi is always difficult is always a challenge and have in person and eight commercial events with him men's that they even having a steel is difficult so as a challenge this is one of the hardest but the last thing I did with him was thought to involve Ronaldinho for the role in a movie that Rodinia suing about himself which will have a really interesting in the pre-show chapters oh yeah the so it was so good I've seen him evolve from being very shy to you know to be in very descriptive and emotional if necessary and one Pony fields that the subject deserves it so all in all it's a it's a challenge the biggest iniesta I love talking to him and he's always been very good to me always with my favorite players again yes they're just yeah but keep an eye on the talking football show on a legal TV because we don't special with him and it was just him and I and a sofa talking with no script no and I really enjoyed it that would be yeah he is brilliant is such a gentleman he always tells you stories feels like I feel I consider him one of my friends and I think he's vice versa but either way he treated you like one and he's very respectful of the profession and we always sorry friends we were actually at his last ever game for a New York you were yeah New York it was like probably scored scoring oh what a player what a player like okay so yeah I see it yester davia yeah a thing in England Frank Lampard counters a player imagine yeah yeah he was always good and always when we had ideas that were a little bit different when I was working in the times for instance with like a real Makati with it this thing that's become more more common in recent I'm putting two people together different backgrounds and see how the conversation went we got Jan Luca be a lean him and we went for lunch and a really good relationship with his former Spanish Jesus punishing out a few times and you know told him things that I'm told anybody so he's a friend but also we gave you real good value and the and the faith one I enjoyed talking to Levin dusky robert levin dosti he decided to do for the BBC for a podcast you see at the art of scoring so he went into detailing what it means to to score and you know what's conscious and once unconscious and and you know the feelings of thereafter mistake and you know his own career had his own up and downs there's always a lesson to hear from those guys that you know they come through a lot of obstacles so that's today that's my top five well that's a great folks item but yeah we'll let you pick one manager to manage that so again and you can pick yourself now o managers that's my favorite subject I love talking to managers there's so many preventive well where they you know Pakistan doesn't have to be very famous would kick ass and Chet Flores I spoke to you know this morning Stevie G is so many club but I guess one that I owe him a lot and and he's always been very very good to me is his paper dealer and I've learned a lot through through working with him in the book it was you know afternoon the the Liverpool book she's on the brink with our I am the publishers we were looking for another book to do to go out five six years to the side and it was there's two paths and I went to him and I said I don't wanna do a book that's like this was the last yeah what he was about nine eleven twelve when Mourinho won the league for Madrid and it was so much tension the players didn't talk to the media individual interviews they could push like closed closed down and I said I'm gonna do it through newspapers I want to talk to you and everybody he said okay let's do it and and that was great and I remember telling him the first step is that with well chapter I do is psychological some of you can hear this car you can you know we can now all right okay there's a car that they are goes off about this time for about five minutes and then that's it police never been round away no no but you know if he was I want to miss it so anyway that I said would you look at it because because he didn't want to look at the other what I was doing and he said no one the book is finished I'll go to the book store and buy it so that freedom gives you a lot of responsibility but obviously you know it's how I want to work and he was you know he spoke to me for the Messi book and he said I'll never ever speak old messy and so much death because he heard and every time there is a big project I did when I first came into the Lucy but it is ready show podcast about music and him and and I thought you know he was very very honest and good yeah with my favorite and I forgot about you know who we did a book together but oh yeah where do you think he'll he'll learn next can he manage Barcelona I know he's always said he can't deal cuz he played for us by Noble County manage Barcelona and where will he end up next what to thing I have to say it's probably the closest person I've been with him football managers wise and and sometimes you so close that you don't see you know it wasn't an automatic choice for a book until somebody pointed out and were like of course and and again he he's always been very generous so I have to choose my body on a concertina just going back to last one and in terms of doing Barcelona he was offered were thrown ax and he said no so he was over Berlin just before well when it was sacked and he said no so that's your answer and in the what next for him will will have to see it looks quite clearly that in the market players not many players will move there won't be big transfers and play a level and managers will be the same all the big coats of code are gonna keep the managers with flick stain and Bayern Munich it means that to hell one lip pierced D so I think he's gonna have to wait at the moment mm okay I want to thank you very much for giving us your time I'm interrupting your your sunbathe call there we're gonna have to get you on against like made before the euros or something something cool I'm sure with the stay in torture there thanks man for coming on shore uh send us before he tells off oh just for everyone watching at home making sure to like share subscribe and as always stay energized