Josh Thomson | Starting MMA, Bellator's Plans & Sparring Khabib | Energized Show

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What is up and welcome to the latest Energized Show! On this episode we have Josh "The Punk" Thomson on the show to discuss his MMA career, Bellator's plans for the future & Training with Khabib at team AKA. Check it out, enjoy, subscribe for more and as always Stay Energized!…

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okay what's going on guys and welcome to a brand new episode of energized today we have a very special guest on the show we have UFC Bellator and Strikeforce a world lightweight champion corner container and podcaster Josh the punk Thompson Josh how you doing this long buddy it is a bit longer but I decided to keep it short you know I mean yeah yeah you missed pride you miss dream I mean as any other forbidden as many organizations as you I'm sure somebody has I'm sure I mean they might see no side work she's been the champion memorization and that UFC Strikeforce now Bellator so that's four different or is a strike I don't I don't know if she's every call she ever fought in Pride I don't think so and then I know she didn't fight in dream so those are two that I have over her but she's got titles baby she's you're quoting the most Activision of all time um she she's looking for people in her division yeah it's true it is I would like to see her fight at 35 I just know she can't make it but I would like to see her fly the 35 it just would make it be there'd be a lot more girls for her to fight but it would also diminish who she is she's as a savage man she's so good she's so strong and I actually you know had opportunity back in Strikeforce a system a commercial with her and the two of us were you know filming it for Showtime and we were just doing that like we were just supposed to be acting like playing in the ring and this chick was [ __ ] me up man she was and then her husband was the other cyborg at the time they're not married anymore but her her husband men was there watching so it wasn't like gonna get Maggie that [ __ ] would have beat my ass who's bad things like you know 200 something pounds back then and say amazed there'll be that but I mean he was big back then and she was she was probably barking the same way I was time like 170 but man she [ __ ] she was [ __ ] me up in the commercial I was at it said hey man this is just for fun all is good though we you know she's a she's definitely savages have you seen her a way quitting video as well when she like she was in the bath we went out online and she was like crying couldn't wait trying to make 135 pounds so like don't ever really happened again yeah I mean right now I would never thought I would say this my belt was got a better one for vision than he does and I don't think the UFC really had a introduced they started that weight class for her but I mean you have too many girls that just they just for putting weight on to have a chance to fight her that's all you know and so it wasn't fair you know with Julia Budd being here she is a legit walk around on a 45 pound fighter we've got a couple other girls too that we've just signed and then Mia McCourt as well yeah Elliott McCord Lea needs a couple more fights I think before she's ready for her but but but but that's there janae Hardy and she's there you know but he is gonna face I believe the next show they were supposed to fight in London I would have been a great fight those two match up very well they're both more lanky tall you know for the size I would like I would like to see that fight you know and we're gonna see it and obviously you know I'm gonna see because they were matched up so you know and the Kasinga knows did she sign with us so she's doing well you know she's gotta put a like she with her like she walks around maybe 44 48 so she doesn't have much to cut side works really walking around probably 66 68 somewhere in that would be interesting teen can tiresome do a cross-promotion fight with yeah is that she she they got a walk down over there you know I'm not I don't know how much longer the PFL is gonna be in business you know I mean they they are spending cash like it's and they've done this their holsters the promotion's existed they've done this mark you my poem on just no I don't believe so I'd heard something around it like his investors he had done business with we're also involved in that but I don't I don't think he's actually directly involved with it I mean I don't think he would have looked at the revenue that they were bringing in versus the revenue they're spending I mean I want to say outside of the million dollars that they're spending for the winner of the tournament they're still paying the fighters there personally and I believe Kayla Harris just signed a deal where she's making almost five hundred thousand dollars a fight she's got nobody in her weight class two fighters so why would she ever go anywhere and it says she's way out putting the coverage they're spending money it just doesn't make sense there's no reason for them to pay her that much she's got no one to fight I mean I mean I'm tipping my hat to her so I'm glad I'm happy she's getting paid but realistically she's you know she's not fighting she's not able to fight like Sarah Kaufman's probably her toughest fighting Sarah's small you know Sarah used to find 35 I once did she found a 25 also a couple times you know she's just small girl you know she's you know she's she's Biddle you know like is in she's a little thicker you know but she's she's not the size of the size of yeah no I'm saying no Josh well we're also going to get into your story anyway you put over Trudy professional fights how did you get into the fire sex I know I got done with college and I was thinking to myself man do I want to go work at 9:00 to 5:00 do I want to get a real job and no no not really so I just I started I just started I was I was already training for wrestling was wrestling to college and I was wrestling I played soccer also and so I was always in shape I always love being active every time I was honestly I just did our show when I did my show last week with John talked about John Joseph Big John McCarthy on my show we talked I basically said like John is going through what I went through when I was 18 19 years old if I wasn't training I was at the club like you know fighting you know getting smashed trying to pull chicks like I mean doing me wrong I'm not knocking on their sins that way and they'll sit differently that's their business I'm the judge trust me I'll know of the judge and um you know but it's uh I just I went through that at a younger age and it seems like he's still going through it now granted I didn't have the money that he has and making the money he's making it you know he's naked but yeah doggie I said those those are young kid mistakes those are young boy mistakes those are things that you wouldn't expect somebody to you wouldn't expect somebody to be making it 30 to 33 years old yeah he's also a father as well I don't see I don't want to be ruling in BO dad you don't mean yeah well yes yes yes yes oh yes so you you were younger you were there if you were doing wrestling then you move it but then what happened next so oh my god yeah so basically I got done with you know wrestling and I was still playing active like soccer even to this day I play soccer like indoor leagues and you know because I'm busy traveling too much there's too much of a commitment to that but ignore you just show up once a weekend just play with the safety we play it or we quit so but you know realistically like it helps keep me in shape and you know keeps me going you see active and stay busy but I got done with wrestling in high school or in college and playing soccer and I just was training all the time jiu-jitsu and and a lot of kickboxing and was having fun with it I think after about six months of training I took my first fight and and I lost you know I was dominating the kid for about eight minutes there was at one time in around about 80 and a half minutes and they just made a mistake through a head kick steps on the mat he took my back choke me with a inverted triangle he was I started to come and come out the back door and he caught me and over to try on yeah me just one of those things but then it kind of mode of me like motivated me to say hey man I have focus on this if I'm gonna do this and have fun with it and then my second fine I was able to make hundred fifty bucks and then my third fight I was able to make three hundred and then once all that happened I mean I've been I'd surely after had a couple more fights later that was up and I was living up in Idaho which is up like Canada and I am boy he's like no Northmoor about and so I was in Coeur d'Alene area like merciful candy is for coral AAA you know we're sam Cecilia and those guys are from yeah so yeah so yeah they were all up in there so they actually were like they weren't even around I was they were like they were still in the middle school maybe in elementary school with me I started training bad man it was me it was me Trevor Prangley Dennis Holman Benjy Radek the guys they were up there maybe should say it obviously was fighting you know all the small Cena back then man so I mean we all kind of were in that northwestern area that we just kind of help the sport grow Jen's Pulver was in Boise I'm supposed to fight Jen's probably my fourth or fifth fight ever in this small local show in Boise Idaho and cuz I'd already beaten all the other guys in Boise at the time and and they said hey man we got Jenn you know fight Jen's this all right perfect and then he got signed to the UFC like basically while we were negotiating for me to fight him the amount of money they saw him in New York see that kind of that kind of let me know like that was kind of the time where I thought to myself dude these guys and you're supposed to be fighting these guys are getting signed to the UFC like you're basically right there this isn't a big market like your your name is if people already must know your name if people are talking about match team gets Jen's people took from a match to you gets other guys you know I mean there was talk about me find Dennis Holman Dennis home and you know there's already basically was already signed with the UFC and then kinda I was getting some other fights on the ice outside it's got a remember back then that you see only had five to seven shows he even 54 shows a year like they do now they had five or seven shows and that was he's famous for the job scoffs no it wasn't me yeah like the defining moment of his career and [Music] sadly very sadly cuz you ever member I believe he's got to armbar wins over Matt Hughes yeah I know he's got one for sure alternate coffee a second one you know Stu and both of them I think we're like under like a minute a half or two minutes or something like that very impressive and they think you fade I think you rather to be known and beat might use than you would to wear a jockstrap into the ring but sometimes there are things go but famous for funny stuff I remember Sam Alvey God when they burned all the sponsorships got the tan sponsor on his chest I think he did yeah we had talked about that because you know remember back in the day they used to have the ink on the back for Golden Palace mmm Golden Palace Casino used to sponsor guys and they would write a number they even write that the ink all over their back it was like yeah yes I'm like that it was like something like that they would put that on they said paste so much money man it was like ridiculous debate they would pay more than what the fighters were actually making to fight crazy crazy I don't see your with UFC whether you fought upon a bit heaven for DuPont about actually how did what fight in Japan combat so I was so I was with the UFC at the time and then they they had got rid of the hundred fifty five so then I think yeah so I was like man and considering it's the best in the world I mean it's been they just got to think about all the guys that were there right there was being BJ Penn Matt Hughes din Thomas myself Sean Sherk with him like all these guys were there it's like and they got rid of the old famous yeah I mean these guys are all like legend in the sport and they were and they were like oh well let's just get rid of this division just didn't make any sense but they got rid of it anyways and they they offered me a deal they said hey you know you want to fight at 170 I was like absolutely not absolutely not if you guys if you guys would see like like the size of Matt Matt Hughes the size of Carlos Newton Pat Miletich those guys were enormous compared to me and so I just had no desire to do that and so I was like nah so I left wasn't with the UFC and then I start finding kickboxing for Scott Coker like on the side I was not making much you know it's a couple grand here and there which is basically what I was making the OC - believe it or not you know the UFC my first contract was like two and two four and four eight and eight it was like garbage money I mean I quit that's that's really what they paid you know they didn't pay [ __ ] back and that's when guys I remember that's my Jen's Pulver life could be Japan when they fought for the title you know sort of became part of you sort of became part of them what I call Scott Coker's California golden boys you mean you where else he won the main attractions and Strikeforce for Scott Coker else you have your trilogy against Gilbert Melendez but it's probably like the most renowned things frog course I ever done and then put like y'all have like Luke Rockhold Daniel Cormier on the open or back corner Lak like uh I think that sort of period when they were coming up and you were in there that was when people started to go cool destroyed four champions beat the UFC champions and it was it was legit like Strikeforce was an organization about you know when you look back it up it was a bit like with the WEC when the fighters actually merged over Theo see they had their own in the end zone Ronda Rousey she was created in in Strikeforce Ronda Rousey cyborg Tina Caronna Miesha Tate you know you had Marloes Coenen you had all these top girls as well as you got DC got remember came last his first fight as a strike force I'm in his fought in Strikeforce you know Michael Chandler fought Strikeforce you know all these guys fought at Strikeforce and then they just didn't have a desire to keep them at the time because they didn't have they weren't producing enough shows to have all these fighters on their roster so what they did was Scott pick and chose the people that he wanted the best in a nice town I happen to be well I happen to be one of them so I felt blessed and happy about that but you gotta remember with that type of responsibility comes comes a lot of pressure you got a Pokemon fights man this you got to remember Strikeforce was known for for having the most exciting fights we have fun fights the fans want to see that was like kind of their motto like you be had those and there was a lot of little even though there was only a handful guys the roster shot Garre was there you know what's it called the authority was there Diaz was there Nick Nick Diaz remembered it was in Strikeforce too he finds forth and the destroyed force Henry Crabtree was unbelievable Overeem phaidor big FV foot silver and the list goes on like it was it was like a ton of like it was it was Josh Barnett and Brett Rogers was really hard on ya like some serious headway to me oh yeah pretend praise heavyweight of all time yeah I mean you can put our argument from infirm you know I mean like in terms of it and turn the heavyweight they were incredible you and Gail a lightweight like even when he came over he didn't he did well light waves up no man yeah remember yeah his hold down on fault he's the one he's the one guy that I completely overlooked to my father and I mean I was able to escape out of there with a win but I gotta tell you man I got I walked out to the third round going to [ __ ] if I lose this take out I'm gonna lose this [ __ ] fight it was that's that he was being desperate normos he took a picture of him he waited 156 when we fought and he took a picture that night senator Scott Coker he weighed 191 and I was like this is this is insane the guy I'm like and I felt every bathtub every pound of that when he was on when he was on top of me I was like this is horrible man this is this kid is so big and he's got hands that are like enormous yeah I remember he beat Jim Miller remember when he fought yeah he had that never he won I look like Jim Miller's big broiler he won he won fight of the night and he won performance of the night or some like that and they remember he tested positive for the marijuana and they stripped him all of that money so he lost like almost 200 something thousand dollars in bonuses because he tested for marijuana and now they're talking about allowing marijuana as a recreational drug that poor guy man he just fought at the wrong time yeah he'll lose those likely was memos he's one of the coolest guys - man he's he's [ __ ] I trained with him out at BJ pens for a couple camps and BJ and I've you know good friends together back from BJ first got into the UFC and when I trained with him out there I mean he was no different mm-hmm I'd already fought him I'd already beat him but he just was that guy even in training I'm like man get your [ __ ] big ass off of me he was just so big yeah he just but he's a grinder he's one of those big guy he's hard to submit heavy on top not a bit not a great wrestler but just makes it awkward like kind of scramble he's long and lanky it's always hard to deal with I know Murray how the question he's dying to ask you about your Strikeforce career co-op marry yeah we're just speaking of events and I saw that you've fought in the Playboy Mansion is without a couple of times undefeated if I'm correct what I have first of all did you fight harder because they're in the Playboy Mansion and also what was it like fighting there as well it was it was definitely different I'll tell you that because you know the your outside outside in the backyard you know there's only maybe I think they were only allowed to sell less than that like 700 tickets or less than 1,000 I guess they were allowed to sell you have to be off the property but I want to say like midnight or 1:00 a.m. you can't be there any longer because it really is his house yeah it's there you know so you have to be off the property by a certain time you can't have the fights before like 3 o'clock or 4 o'clock so fighters showing up there at the venue at like 4:00 but so like the warm-up area was like out on his tennis courts so little things that you're not used to you know like they didn't really have mats for us to wrestle and grapple on it was you know you could really just hit mitts because you're on the tennis courts there was little things that you had to make adjustments to I wish I would have been able to go without having to fight though because you know I mean I was the I was the co-main event I was the main event on one and they come in and on the other I mean I didn't get done financial like almost 10:30 sorry by one as the shuttling Lin and they shouting you off you cannot drive there and drive back and you have to be a list or something real weird about it there so there was no it's like trying to get into the White House it was it was a lot seriously in the grotto no no there was but I'm saying the whole the whole night was a party that's why there was never a moment the bar was 24/7 like the whole thing was the bar was 24/7 there was models walking around 24/7 like people were people people were swimming in the in the grotto while we were fighting like literally 20 feet to the left so it was like a nightclub kind of setup where you know I oh look there's some fights going on over there in the corner so it would kind of kind of sucked that way but it was kind of cool though to like I remember I walked in for the second fight when I fought out of Lynn I walked in and that was the first thing first final in I walked in and I see I look down and and there's a few laughs he's just sitting right there at cage side and I give him a little nod I'm like hey you know he just nods back he's like good luck and it was those are moments do you remember you know did you spend a bit of time in a field the models outwards yeah you know at the time I had a girlfriend so she actually came with hanging out so we all you know there was a group of family and friends always wanted to go so they all paid for the tickets anyway because they were expensive oh and said the tickets were all like two to three grand apiece yeah there was no there was no discounts you know it really was a Showtime deal it was you know it was definitely for TV that was something that Scott Coker always wanted to do he's got a couple wild and crazy ideas that he really wants to put together for first for the fighters you know and I gotta tell you man I'm hoping he's able to get at least two or three of those things done you would believe some of the stuff that some of the fights were in locations that he wants to eventually put on it's always like his dream Playboy Mansion was one of his dreams he was able to make that happen so I think he's just gonna take some time but I he's got a lot of great ideas and is what's made it so easy for me to follow him from you know organization to organization so can you fill us in and anything that we could should be looking for especially because yeah at 11 years as well since Bellator was created as well yeah but it's Scotland been under the helm for I think I want to say five now you know so it's like you got a remember strike force we didn't start hitting our stride until about six years in you know so Scott's got another year and I think now too with the new link-up of the CBS and Showtime deal I don't know if we're gonna be I can't say anything on that because I don't I don't have the exact details on it but I can't imagine if we're gonna be a much longer we're gonna be on paramount or if we're gonna be on the zone or I don't know what's going on in that and those aspects but it would be nice to at least be featured on CBS for CBS every once in a while for some big mainstream fights so our fighters are getting the recognition they deserve and that's kind of what catapulted us when it was strike force remember you had the CBS mightst even though even though there was some fuck-ups on the CBS fights with the Diaz and mayhem Miller and Jake Shields all that stuff right even though that all that stuff happened it kind of ruined us for CBS but we were still on Showtime Showtime was still getting the recognition you know forever they at the time so we we had we had two platforms we had CBS and Showtime to be featured on that were showing our replays we're showing our fighters and so if we can get something like that going again I think realistically you'll start hearing seeing more of more of these other media sources talking about our athletes I gotta tell you man we've got we've got way better younger athletes that you have seen this there's no doubt about it I have no I have no doubt there are our younger fighters are better than the UFC fighters and I have no doubt that our current fighters can all match up really well with them if not beat them you know I mean obviously you I can make matchups anyway to the favor our guys you know but I can also make matches to the favor of the UFC guys it can also make it to where it's a full-on split fight you know I mean so like I would love to see the MVP and Stephen Thompson five said oh we actually wish you were met both there and fight Colin cork and we actually interview both in the one day that they actually both are there great respect for each other and that they'd actually you likee a dream of both there's two for each other and although I understand use here she's still worried about with them yeah of course they are I mean member though they may feel like they have a lot to lose but I remember them when they were pleading with pride to let one of their guys fight in their tournament member how about one of them yeah you know but that was that was Dana that was Dan enough saying like he was begging like he was on this each of our guys against them for sure he'd win and you know it checks one of my closest friends he's been one of my closest friends since 99 98 99 you know and like that was that was Dana was was Scott's not begging for a fight but like he's just simply saying like hey if you want to cross remote let's go buddy you don't need to get it done you know but Dana no one listen you know you don't want other smoke dude you don't want it you know and that's kind of how it all goes down like if you can't if you he feels like he has nothing to gain by doing it and maybe right now he doesn't but I think when the guys start getting more exposure on CBS and Showtime and in paramount and disown if we got four platforms to play your fighters on I can't imagine I mean I just can't imagine them not you know people not giving them the recognition they deserve patricio as well there's no doubt in my mind I don't know if you guys saw but there was a error saying it works with huto and yeah top guys right he he publicly like annihilated the press you know and it's just like talking trash they're loud patricio is the best guy basically best guy in the world you know when people don't leave people will look back at his old fights back in the day where he was just standing in front of people and just you know and just let's cheer let's trade he still does that a little bit cuz that's that's who he is a provider but it's a lot he's a lot smarter hmm his style his style has changed he doesn't just stand in front and just like sit there and bang with you he's got that wider I would say almost like a like a Taekwondo I don't like a Conor McGregor type of dance he's got that Henry cejudo has it as well because the two of them train together you know and if you when you hear Henry say how good he is don't let you know how good it is you know like the same look and if you saw what want to let her wrestle at Purdue other other top guys have tried to like take him down he's next-level his wrestling is now next level after working with guys like Henry for so many years and he's vastly underestimated I just think he's drastically underrated and underestimated every single time someone wants to talk about him how did you think him verse and Pedro plays a three happened row on the podcast he's extraordinary thoughtful at the boat yeah I mean I think I think he I think he does have a good chance submission wise he's good but look you got to get him down and I think if you're gonna stand with him I don't think you can I don't think gotta leave Pedro can stand with him think about this I mean Michael Chandler starts his guys you know and he got starts by Patricio it's like and I don't know I just feel there's a lot of there's a lot of things that people don't seem to understand for for such small big things come in small packages you know that guy he can crack he can crack he can [ __ ] crack sometimes you'll be a day in the final against Ken AJ get past Darian Caldwell yeah well no fair I was very impressed with Caldwell against Barch and I was like I was like that was performance and a half especially considering Caldwell this was fine dad 135 to come off again like very impressive I almost think it's like a younger hungrier bigger version of call about I think he's got slightly better straighten yeah yeah he's got he's got better striking but he's a lot more wild with it stop can he stop Derek called wills wrestling no I don't think he can he can out strike him but Kenny stay out from smack the other thing as well as we saw in its last bite which I thought he'd bought kept very carelessly against Campos what he thought yeah caris Lee you in the third round in the third round he got tired you know and he was exhausted so after that after that happened I mean like and darienne's not been known for his condition ear cardio as well into the third quarter fifth round but I will say this he has now had more time to put the weight on naturally like his in to build a little bit of muscle now with this this was such an easy win over Adam Moritz no damage to his body he is ready he's he's just getting stronger every day he's training with bigger guys he's getting the fills and the likes of someone like agent McKee with the speed and iPod he's training with those kind of guys he's just he he's a smart guy man he's a smart guy he just I think he he needs to groom himself to be ready for that weight class now because he was always weighed down he was always trying to keep his weight down so he could go to 135 they just can't do that you know so now he doesn't have to do that now he his body can naturally learn how to carry this weight and that said that means a lot people understand how much that means it's hard to learn for your body to carry that about a weight every single today in training and then as well as on the fight so I have this thing we're like I always walk around 169 170 I always have even now right now probably once that be - you do know old fat and retired you know and I just stuck my face all the eggs were in quarantine like legit I've only walk around like 172 maybe some of the muscle turned to fat and so now I don't look the same but I still weigh the same but I never fought I never fought in the weight class um higher than I competed so you know how some guys like you know like Pat Healy when he cut 255 to fight me and then we'll need 190 that night I feel like that potentially lost him the fight he probably walks around 80 maybe 82 83 but by the time he got in the cage he was already eight pounds over what he's used to training that you're carrying another 8 pounds of weight on your body but your body's not used to carrying so I always walked there I was trained at 168 169 170 somewhere in there and anything I was the week before I started cutting with the fight I made sure I didn't put any weight on above that because my body didn't know how to carry that weight you know and you never you never trained or you never you can never train as hard as you're gonna fight in that cage and so you're carrying an extra 1 or 2 pounds I mean you guys gonna remember if you're holding up like dumbbells right one pound dumbbells can you do that for 15 minutes probably not no probably not no problem so you know if that's the case now try to add that on your body another in a powder too like every pound over what you're normally used to carrying around is it works against you so I feel like Darren doesn't have to go through that anymore so I think we saw a good Darren Caldwell guy puts guys away and a divorce had never lost anything any fight I think I think he's gonna come back even stronger he's he's a good-looking young kid I want to say he's only like 23 24 yeah and all the buzz about him is legit guys all from Henry hooks gym where he trains they're like dude he's so [ __ ] good like people don't get how damn good he was you know it obviously didn't show against era cola but they're like dude he's phenomenal like it doesn't even make it he's gonna they have all said he's gonna be champion another thing about Bellator people have been talking about the European series that's been happening over here first of all it's been amazing for our fans as well well damn there's been talk about maybe doing making European titles like rather than World titles like so a European title and then world calls like separate because people feel like sometimes Florida's in the European series are fighting people but it doesn't seem to be like progressing them any further what you think the the possibility of making European titles yeah I think look what we're doing right now I believe this is what I believe it's not what I've heard from anybody else I think right now we're trying to see where the cream rises to the top and then we'll start bringing those guys to fight the top guys that are in Bellator right now you know that's what we're trying to do that's why you've seen certain guys go over but Ricky went over and he's gonna end up going back over a five Peter really you know you would over to fight Ryan ESCO you know primitive chrimbus went over there fought wild and then just fought again recently like you have these fights right here you're having the matchup against European guys see where the cream is you want to see which guys rise to the top and then I don't think there's any reason to start a European title either the champion or not there's no reason to do that you know the other thing too is if you know your pay is not going to go up because you're the European champion it doesn't make any sense and possibly possibly maybe later on down the road but I think right now we're just trying to see who the best athletes are that we have signed remember that that were made a huge push in the end and the push in the Europe is just simply the fact that we signed all the guys from Bama I think goes BAM I'm on your side we've got more something besides my sign that we sign that whole roster when we send that whole roster you know we brought a lot of guys over that we were not familiar with you know myself I had to look up a lot of these guys though okay Lucas I've heard of this guy but I've never seen him fight so right now we're trying to see which guys will rise to the top amongst the European guys and then once we see that we'll start integrating the guys that are coming over you know to mix them in and I think it's best though to for the u.s. guys to start fighting the guys in on your solo I think it's only fair you know you gotta make adjustments you can't just always bring the Europe guys to the UK to the US they expect them to perform well you gotta let them sometimes have hometown fights I love that they're doing that man I think I think you gotta bring it you know you've got to continue to bring these guys over and let them fight you apéritif ID qui Li that's gonna be a great fight I mean there's so many fights that I want to see mixed up that I think stylus screen makes for great matches I mean Peter come on Pedro come on campus and that's what got him into the tournament you know I mean I mean what's your take on em James got her on how far away do you think he is from title shot I know he sort of built his own for he wants to fight a Sergio Pettis offers next fight for the bantamweight belt because that's bacon up mom dr. kolba lost her gucci mane her gucci vein yeah I'm not saying he's not ready for one now but I'm here's the thing anytime you have a young a young flamboyant very like very engaged you know what he's doing he knows how to sell a fight there's no rush we don't need to rush him you know I mean how many fights did Connor have before he finally you know was a mission that there was like four or five fights I mean you know give James his time you know he's young want to say what is he 22 23 years old 20 get one right in what 21 maybe yeah he's very okay he's saying I want to say he's 22 age 22 or 23 yeah on there he's a young guy I remember when he was he was a couple of younger than Aaron Pico so I remember that and Piko Piko I think he's 22 now and so our 20s oh my god there's no rest with these guys see that was that look at Aaron Pico he's exactly what you don't want to do like guys didn't want to fight it because he was doing so well at the gym and other guys were talking about how great he was and I witnessed it firsthand the guy's [ __ ] phenomenal but he doesn't have the MMA experience and yeah he had to slow roll guys didn't want to fight him and got you know and any pills my head in awesomes as well yeah he's losses though his first loss was because he fought I was outside of his weight class got nobody else to fight it but it said you know his other losses have just been cuz he invites more and that's the lack of experience yeah yeah he has been his last his last two fights but he fought he fought brilliantly is last two fights um you know he's he's getting better every time he's with Greg Jackson now great yesterday Jackson is someone who's been known to put on put together a great game plan he does a wonderful job so I think that's exactly what he needs the other thing is well he's he has some issues like his dad was very involved in in his in his career and I think sometimes you you have to tell your family to kind of like hey you gotta step out a little bit let me run this myself and and I think we've seen that I think we see a little bit of that too so you parents not only parents but a lot of parents they want and just like a fighter baby think they deserve more they want their kid to have the best and that's that's part of being a parent I think every parent thinks that way like my son and my daughter deserves this you know they deserve one more they should be they should be this they should be that but when you start doing that especially in a sport like this where they're paying a lot of money you've got to remember when the more you get paid well the heart of the competition is sure so if you're if you're relatively new in the sport you got it down on the back man and slow roll it there at 22 years old like with James Callender 20 to 23 years old there's no rush he had he won't even hit his prime until 27 28 29 somewhere in there your prime honestly I feel for MMA is 27 to 32 you hit that man's strength you finally are starting to take it serious you probably realize what the money's like now you're enjoying life but those are all things that come along with it and the maturity of I think John don't skip that part but you know other guys have the opportunity to do that so yeah you got a look yeah you have unlikely James there's no rush man but that time with him this because once you start fighting for that title you can't go backwards backwards man you can't you can't fight easier fights just cuz all I had a bad showing okay I want an easy fight now no do you think someone's unlike people have said it's open ebay by the tour that's months that they almost give some their home people is too soft opponents this everyone thought the Ricky baby house was gonna get run through by James Cowher and look what happened you know a lot they said the same thing about my long bone Rick in the house although I think a lot of people say that MVP but at the end of the day sure a lot of people aren't signed up to fight MVP know these guys these guys are uncommon I do like the plague man they nobody here's the other thing when somebody's is as good as he is of what he does he makes them look bad it's no different than when you look at the auto machine how many time people were like only I just grab him get him down no no it's not really that easy if it was that easy people have done that and figured them out years ago it's not that easy if it was that easy like these top guys would begin knocked up I remember man mechina knocked out Rashad Evans you know and he's making cyborgs the one that broke me he broke his skull he cracked his fully my friend something that happens he made a very close like properly give up it was like it was it was like Rickles a minute you know what no I know more pointing please yeah it doesn't it just there's there's no reason to continue to fight if you know you're not gonna get the win out of it and he didn't even get to him to touch him like everyone just kept saying like oh you're just gonna run in there trying to take it out no you got to get past him he's so fast so fast so elusive and I can tell you right now I'm Spartan with a couple guys that are just extremely fast this guy from France's name was Thomas be on real good kickboxer Sabo guy every time I would kick he'd catch my kick and throw me on my head every time every time I every time I would try to like take him down every time I turn teak and I he was so fast as if it were kid movement he would just circle out of the way I couldn't get to him and every time I got him to the fence he would just drop his way push my face of LaLanne I just couldn't get him down and those guys in you know you didn't want no weird me on the feet with him every time I trusted a psychic here the body [ __ ] smack kick me and he wanted like I'd be given moments there where if you wanted to in training [ __ ] you know and I'm a world I'm considered one of the best light weights ever in this guy fights on Langley Division two you know couldn't get his MMA career to go because he was may in the kickboxing but I'm saying like I couldn't get him down you know and so when you're fighting guys like that they make you look if they are so good at what they do they make you look bad that's all I bp's doing now now that i said that though you are you guys are right his competition has been good but it hasn't been great and he's now ready for that that next level I want to see him fight guys like lorenz larkin I want to see him you know I want to see him potentially get a rematch with Mema not quite yet buddy that should be in the yeah oh I think that's more so I was intrigued by because Rory's play call other I suppose gamepad not see you trained GSP in like that's where he gets that from border I thought of in the core that like you say that one's gone ball one point that's Massenburg for come up is Mousasi vs. Lima and she don't know them cuz MVP said he thinks no sauce is like a bigger version Lina and he thinks he'll get the job done yeah I don't and I'm a huge fan I just don't see any way he wins this fight I don't I don't see any way Gegard Mousasi has been around a long time anyway let's not forget he thought Mark Hunt yeah yeah it was uh he he thought Mark Hunt mmm you know so Mark Hunt he's far he's funny he was the Strikeforce 205-pound champion yeah he was ranked number two or three or whatever when he left the UFC to come over laughter he wasn't he could he do be water he was no Morgan there any math you see there was no reason for him to leave he just wanted to leave he didn't obviously you didn't like the promotion a lot of guys I think once they realize they're not gonna try to build them as stars it's like he might just bounce out like it you you know what once you're two to three fights in and you know they're not talking to you like they like like you could potential star potential people need to get out of there because they're just wasting their career there's gonna fight a bunch of times on the low-level cards and they're never gonna get any recognition so I don't understand why you would try to stay there they should Tel Aviv do you think if we saw C wins he'll transfer Bader at 2:05 well Baker's got his hands full with nem cough no damn joke EB Davis they're easy yes yeah yeah regardless though I think nem cough is his stand-up is good he's got an inch in he's gonna get in there and get after it he's gonna push fader the other thing too is I think Bader is better at anyway that's third oil I don't understand why he's going to 205 again he's putting his body through that weight cut again when he was physically walking around a good 235 you know to 30 to 35 at anyway and having great performances question those reason for him there's no reason for him to go to 205 the question is with nem coffee phaidor of that Bader and Lagasse starched phaidor yeah if he also had to wait then you got to bring the way home so I'm like he punches harder and what-have-you and he does just the same with Daniel Cormier though same thing at 205 I was like I felt I felt like I was hitting air every time I try to land up consciously these guys weren't affected by it then you go to do it anyway and he's just you know it knocks TP out like you know guys are having a hard thing gone oh did you sleep caught him with some clean shots couldn't put them away and he knocks him out that lets you know like this the weight makes a difference on when you guys are not what you're able to knock someone out of your plushy car to tell us this I'll see you yeah you trained your entire career during your professional career ahead of aka and you've also fought Tony Ferguson I'll see they're not gonna find us eat before weird annoying who knows he was he 249 is hot or not well you've been in the training room believe you've been in the Octagon with Tony Ferguson how'd you see that playing out what's it like you know competing with those guys you know I think Tony has all the tools to be competing I just don't think he's gonna do it and I'm not just being a homer of not being biased it's just that I've there's been fights in the past and there's been positions in the past even when I fought him I there was positions and I was able to get that I shouldn't be able to get on someone like him doing me wrong I mean like he's good Tony's extremely good but he can't afford to he sometimes will he'll put himself in a shitty position trying to get to something and if he doesn't get there he does not want to be stuck underneath could be and I've been I've been underneath could be but not like in training you know and you just can't move I mean you see guys his whole career he's just they can't get a pop at the bottom it does simply said the same exact thing Dustin's like dude I thought it was gonna be differently and of course everyone does they all think it's gonna be different have you ever seen more of there with a wheel breaker and then khabib he just like braids people who will like there's no tomorrow well I think Tony's right there with Tony's that gun out of his 13 13 wins or is he's got 13 when he's I'm 13 win streak getting out of those 13 I think me and only one other guy the only ones ever go the distance for us the guys he finished all over you know so I he's one of those guys that like pushes you to the max to the point where to the point where like and the guys just they give up they either quit on the stool or no or they are basically like they just they get they'll give a position to be submitted insulate tap and stop taking punishment you know um it's tough I think both of them are the same in terms of the deaths per day that's what they want to do they want to break someone's will they want to push the pace they want to do those things I just don't know if Tony after watching I've said that said this on our show weighing in with Big John I said he is I said he if you go back and watch the Kevin Lee fight he got stuck in mound he was like fighting from the bottom those are not mistakes you comedians could be gonna get ground a pound at the death you know um Kevin Lee had he had a mounted he hadn't heard a couple times like yeah Kendall these not the same level he got all the potential to be the same mmm but he's not the same level as could be I think the long range there's a couple things in Tony I think can utilize and do that I think he'll have a lot of success with but those things need to happen so often can it happen enough to where he gets not the takedown if he puts himself in a shitty position trying to attack a submission and he ends up on bottom you just you you're gonna he can be stuck there the rest of the round you know so I I think he has the tools to be though and just don't think he's I don't think he's going to and it's not a knock on Tony I just I've been in the cage with him and I fought 15 minutes 15 hard minutes with him and the kids good so good he's so good and he does things that you wouldn't expect you know him other people do but if you want to take a comp like with Conor McGregor Conor McGregor had some success on getting back up to his feet against Abby and he also has some success with the wrist control he had a hard time beating that leg lace which a lot of people do but he had the success from that from the wrist control and not me know them but not me having his back up with thoughts of the ground people understand how good Conor is and they look at the final oh he got stopped yeah but do you look at the fight before that the whole fight he fought him better than anybody else had ever fought him I think Ram Warren was around pre-and McGregor was very good in milligrams he was variable to start in the takedown initially and then when he got he got on the feet for a bit in the third round he was quite cool but like Owen screamed gets down like it I just find it terrifying there's just something everywhere it's like easy it's like he's got an ear and that's it you know like yeah he is I always feel I always wanted someone happy you like never watch that in May halos could be if someone's like it's like someone starts off your finger and he's got control of your finger and then he's got control of your hand and then he's got your wrist and then like next thing you know he has both their hands it came behind your box on the ground he's sitting on top here I'm like I don't know whether you're on skill but there or when you're over you same way it's called we even like won't you go in the test and slap in the face like because I like he does takes it down like he owns you it's it's you no one's ever doing like no one's ever done like yeah so like when you look at the Conor McGregor if I ride kabhi he comes in right he shoots a low my ankle pick issues my copic and he gets the ankle and then he's gets the ankle it works the way up to the thigh and then from inside he said some system to his but when he says him to his but he starts wrapping the hips and he's just working his way up and he just said and he does that against the fence mainly but in that first fight and then the corner in that first round from that first takedown he shot he was able to work his way up he's murdered at the ankle went to the knee went to the thigh and they went to the hips in the back position that's realistically what that all comes down to he just slowly methodically makes you work in every position and he doesn't get it the one thing is this if he does not get the takedown he doesn't go off okay they're not working and a lot of fighters will stop they'll stop shooting because it's a lot of energy he doesn't do that he just keeps shooting this kid shoot it doesn't get it [ __ ] yeah chain is chains are incredible yeah heals record I want to say with 22 or 24 takedowns against Abel Trujillo yeah in one fight in a 15 and a 15-minute fight that's insane it's literal ride on literal ride on it was a for me too I don't for you I'm like right edge grappling weirdly I think goes to B which nor do you win first and scrap him like D you don't mean like his GG issues like top the range like any Bravo keeps I'm like hinting that he's got these like surprise for it to be like I don't know like we've seems like very old surprisal and you know brilliant our Ashok on the ground first and relentless cardio I think there are sort of Tony's things that maybe $1 choke roulette is cardio and then this one predictability I think there is sort of s factors grieve is almost like I look I'm almost in a way like Demian Maia isn't like you know he's gonna try and do he's gonna implement us can you stop yeah I mean and like that's the way it works as much as I try and like I think you always try and look at someone he was unbeatable like look for them to be beaten boy I just don't see furs and when I'm doing yeah I think he has the tools to do it I just don't I don't I agree with you I don't think he's gonna be able to do it people underestimate it like they don't realize how good comedian is until they get in there des employ was it said that himself is the guy didn't I never felt top pressure like that before and we've continued to say that to people but people don't seem that they keep just overlooking it like I don't know I'll be able to get up albeit no no I'm probably not you know um you know some of the other stuff too like Tony is either good he's a good grappler is a good wrestler but he he's not he's not gonna be able to head snap to be down this is what people what I like to remind people of is it I've had the veep on my show twice now and when I've had him on I've told him I said I've asked him I said you know about fights he's like he said you don't get it I have 250 Oh probably over 250 Samba fights he's like my write my record in in MMA he's like it's just an edition of what I've been doing like Samba was really just MMA you know and he's been doing this as he was a kid he's really.just MMA with a judo chop off a key top you know I mean they you know it's so he he understands me bars submissions arm bars all that stuff's been around forever you know and those guys have been utilizing him forever look at fader or what he exploded onto the scene I mean yeah I guess he hadn't lost the Zombo match them like over a decade you know and he eventually did lose one but like he hadn't lost and over a decade but I mean he was submitting guys off of his back he was hip tossing throwing right to arm bars and he exploded onto the scene and ride he was huge man he was huge compete was that except to be he's never on his back you know where fader was always on top of phaidor was also off of his back was very good Josh to think anyone had 150 155 pounds can I speak to 170 if you bundle concern you yeah I think so I believe boy what you thinking stay on defeated as well yeah oh my god I was just thinking up I mean lots of books he walk around are cheeky SEPA media was there 191 what trusted to be by next day please massa yeah he is massive he's got thick legs like you know he's got a thick trunk like his hips and noise and stuff he's thick um I would say probably around about 190 you know which is not what what what what Walter weights walk around that so do I think I think he'd have a lot I think he'd have a more like tougher fights there but I think right now with the guys that are in that bracket they're all tailor-made for him you know but it could be but I think you'd actually beat us on it as well you know yeah I might that might be too much for him because these are the length of range of the reaches stuff like Robbie though yeah because I think yeah yeah yeah if you could give him down I never take some big shots of you know no I think the guy the guys that kind of pose a threat like Guzman I don't think can be could be Coco be Covington definitely can't be could be I'm not saying I'm not knocking these guys they're really good I think stylistically his wrestling is anti wrestling Cubs anti wrestling it's just as good as his takedowns so he's the ghost yeah he's hard to get down what about what about against George st. Pierre see that's the fight that's the only fight that I think he has a potential of losing now George getting older so I don't know it will happen but I couldn't hear I could not ask of course I've been won that fight honestly the only fight I really care to see him fight after you if he beats Tony that's the only fight I care to see you play I don't know when they invited I don't care to see him find anybody else I just wanna see him fight that fight and I want to see him run off in the sunset retire what's he like as a person as well Natasha absolutely phenomenal him and all the all the Russian guys that come over you know Jeff yeah market chef is his cousin Islam I can't say as I say mama Madoff he fights in a pfl they've got a bunch of other guys that come over his young little is cousin Umar who just got signed by the USC he's Bob Mosley yeah he's good you're fine I think it 145 okay you'll fight that 45 but I try to get Bellator to sign on but he just didn't want to sign a long-term deal with oats or he wanted to be and I was like because he's good he's not like could be he is like a bee bonala could be he's got wrestling take dad's got good submission defense he's got good submissions as well good pressure but he's more of a tight bond stood Taekwondo style of kickboxer so he's got more of that that Taekwon he's got more a little bit like uh like MVP style of kickboxing so it's just fun to watch he's young I want to say he's only 21 22 years old him and James Gallaher would be a [ __ ] great fight let me see that fight you know I think he's a little bit bigger than James obviously I mean James 235 and he's at 49 but that fight would be crazy or crazy fight so he's he's daunted yeah if Chamitoff you know because the thing is that Mike Beebe's obviously back of Russia and like annoyed and actually going down it's not haunted cent confirmed yet but if a supposedly chosen cage he's gonna step in against thunder yeah against tiny person where'd you see yeah where'd you see that Khan I think it's a horrible I think I think Tony should not fight I think you should not fight I think you should wait for the title shot you should wait for him just to fight could be I don't think he has anything else to prove fighting fighting Justin gates she doesn't make any sense and and I'm a fan of Ali which is just engaged she and communities manager made thunder yeah so what he's doing is what's gonna happen is just engage you get a fight could be next Kunie your manager your managed by the same person I don't mean to what dogs I forget Ned from Basco and get my dog back in all right Tuesday yeah I just don't I don't know man I don't know if he is going to yeah I don't know I don't think I don't think it's a good fight I don't think that I think he should sit out I think you should wait until Coby was ready to fight or until this whole thing is lifted just get better in the time the process keep fine-tuning what your while you're working on what you think's gonna work against to beat I think those are the things that he has to do like it shouldn't I don't think you should take the fight there's let's just say look let's just say he did let's say he wins but say he doesn't look good right that's a dogfight I goes three rounds or five rounds just and it doesn't look good maybe it's boar I seen him in a boring fight neither one of those guys but I'm simply just saying like if he doesn't look good I say the you I could see the EOC going know what let's try and put somebody else in there that's they know to do that man four years and so um you know and all he manages both of them so all he has control over like what the kind of with the UFC does like oh no they just my fighters I'm gonna negotiate this negotiate that you know it's then it gets caught up in this thing where now justin has a chance to be number one get together this fight has more hype around that than any other fight in the UFC yeah ballet an old off yeah I don't think it's smart for the funds for the five I don't think it's a smart fight by Tony to take the fight is there's no reason you have nothing else to prove you start tons of people before now you know like there's no reason for you to continue on trying to beat on the top top guys you've already beat them all let Justin be here number one title defense if you get there yeah but let's see what happens yeah yeah well just come in for coming on today show and much appreciate all your time yeah you're not suit alleged into the sport and gradually small your achievements and you'll be John rest on that podcast I'll see you brilliant said the way in show and much love like share subscribe and as always stay energized