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What is up and welcome to the latest Energized Show! On this episode we have The United Stand's Flex on the show to discuss How he joined Manchester United's most followed fan channel The United Stand, The Premier League & Manchester United. Check it out, enjoy, subscribe for…

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Energized Show episode (April 2020, COVID lockdown) with Flex, presenter on Manchester United fan channel The United Stand. Flex says he had never been on Energized before; a planned United Stand live event in Dublin was cancelled the day before recording, which would have been his first visit to Ireland. He describes joining The United Stand after starting out as a DJ, meeting Mark Aldridge through a friend, and struggling at early outside broadcasts before the channel grew globally via tours to Singapore, China, and Australia. He stresses fan channels are vehicles for supporter opinion, not fame, and denies The United Stand is club-owned or on United’s payroll while describing how they earned limited behind-the-scenes and press-conference access. On football: he expects the 2019–20 Premier League season may resume without fans, possibly late May or early July; United were closing on top four before the pause after Bruno Fernandes’s arrival; he backs Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s foundations, wants a right winger and holding midfielder (names Sancho, Partey, Ndidi, Rice), thinks Paul Pogba will stay despite agent noise, and picks Fred and Aaron Wan-Bissaka as standouts. Hosts and Flex agree to reschedule Dublin and do a pub tour when lockdown ends. No MMA topics appear in the transcript.

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Kind: captions Language: en okay what's going on guys and welcome to a brand new episode of energized today we have a very special guest on the show we have DJ present interview no it's time and most importantly my chess you know fnatic is so tough for all of us in it with this self-isolation quarantine lockdown whatever you want to call it rule in the same boat but we've got to still find positives and waste of smiling and things to do man so yeah I'm glad to do something different and getting violent to show up before so yes yeah have you ever actually been on a lawyer show before I haven't no and you know what the funny thing is is we would do to fly to Dublin yesterday we were doing the united stand live event in dublin yeah which obviously got cancelled but it was going to be my first time in Dublin and I've always wanted to go to Ireland in general especially Dublin I'm not sure where you guys actually face but yeah I wanted to I wanted to go there are you guys Dublin so yeah so that that would have been really interesting that a lot of people message in saying are they had reminders on their sort of tickets that they've got that it will see canceled and there's a sad time but you know once all of us is blown over would definitely make the trip to Ireland again because we had it all sorted and stuff so yeah yeah I was actually I actually emailed mark a while ago because Alfie Mark Aldridge he announced that he was coming over to Dublin for four but you know I'd stand what they had originally the Dave Ireland were playing a qualifier against there so back in for the euros and I was like Marky just ahead yes he changed it he changed it after that he changed it I think it was a seconds it would be yeah and it would have been it would have been tonight I think it would have been so no so it would have been yesterday would have yesterday disappointed that we can't do it you know what the papers called I remember the name of the venue I've got it I've got it in a NEMA bike I remember the actual name in the place I'll have to dig it out for you but it was somewhere in the centre he said it was because mark might used to live out in Ireland so he's had fond memories of being out there oh he was doing keep your peas malahide one time I think will tell you where's be will arrange little air sorry teen tour for you you know Manuel showed showing the road hundred percent hundred percent 100 percent now we've touched in and I know you guys a bit better now we can definitely do that hundred percent now because we will we will reschedule that for sure yeah that sounds good fact first of all right for people like people want to know what's your actual name as well do you know what I've never I've never actually let my actual name out of bag it's gonna be something that you guys are gonna have to find out do you need to be fair I'll let you into a bit of a secret I did do something today not because I don't want anyone to ever find out my real name I just think when it happens it what happened it's not a huge secret but I did do something quite silly today where I put up a screenshot of my laptop of like a screenshot of the interview I just found with Troy Deeney but at the top right hand corner it said my real name because my MacBook I know my phone was going off saying yo look you've put your name on for now and I've bought all ress interesting so I don't know if you look on Twitter might even be there it might even be there yeah I just heard Rance his real name is Zane that's actually cool now Zane yeah was that Zane I can neither confirm nor deny can deny that I can deny that for him to yourselves caught him saying but they're obviously marko bird his real name is not a cream archival bridge as well which is a nurse no i found which was hilarious it's like an Italian name it is yeah he thinks the same thing really I think and some people who are you talk a lot crap oh they don't use their real name listen stores these names not Scalzi Drake's name's not Drake different aliases different names showmanship in it and to be fair my my name flex actually comes from like in the show from being a DJ my mum actually gave me that name and I was about 11 12 she just came up with a name DJ flex and anyone who knows me that's just been my nickname kind of kind of grown up really all right well then how did you start getting into the working with you know I just and as well cause like I'm sure you actually live in a lot of people's dream to be honest yes it's so crazy I hadn't zero intentions zero intentions of ending up where I am now if I'm honest with you guys I it actually happened because I wanted to start a YouTube channel for music for DJ and actually do like album reviews couple the mixes and stuff like that and just see where it went and I went with my cousin to see a friend of mine who could give us some advice but when we went me them they said actually before we talk about that I know a guy called mark Aldrich died died died recently met and he said he's looking to kind of take his channel not in a different direction but just by versified the content I suppose you know do different types of content do fancams do interviews just be you know at the grounds you know just given that rural kind of content and basically columns do short my friend said I think you'd be good at that you should put you in contact with him how's that man and I think you've got the wrong guy like I love you know I love football always have done but in terms of the whole YouTube thing being on camera presenting stuff like that I don't really think that's for me even as a DJ like I didn't ever go into micro anything like that I literally was behind the deck so I just have a host or a hype guy who's on the microphone you wouldn't really catch me you know be in the forefront of it I'm kind of like the music do the talking I just wasn't that guy so I was literally like that not for me is that man you never know you never know where could go just give it a try so I called mark and he gave me the lowdown of what he was trying to achieve and in the end I literally went out going and like what's the worst that can happen and I remember the first time first game Crystal Palace at home people just walking past us but I never microphone people people saying piss off do you don't know you are go away it was difficult and then gosh human division it just went from there man's crazy never it never intended it I think of things to grow on people are more and more useless and in 2020 more people are used to give them their two cents in an interview more people don't care of being on camera in fact almost they don't not that don't care that they're going to be on camera now II think everyone's hungry for their but two minutes of fame I was like where are our staff on TV look that's how they grew their their characters one might say you know I mean like you mean they just interview people after game and they're like they became part of the show and I think what you notice on TV it's been more structured for their it's very interesting see it's quite funny because people on the fan channels are just fine as well and they give their opinion or but just because you give your opinion on video people they put a horror pedestal how do you know water so glad you said that because I think when you deal with a lot of idiots who like oh they don't represent me oh they think they're this they think that it's just people who completely misconstrue what we're actually doing and I keep I keep saying it all the United stand is and other fan channels any fan channel should be anyway is a vehicle for sorry someone just called me that they're guys it went a bit blank am I still there yeah yeah okay okay yeah all it is is a vehicle for people for fans to convey their feelings and thoughts and opinions on football on whatever team that maybe whatever channel it is whatever sporting may be might not even be a football fan channel that's all it is within that yes the people on the channel they're gonna be more regular in terms of the hosts and the presenters etc but even even me on a match day I very rarely give my opinion if you go I mean it's it's for the fans it's the chance for them to have their say and for me to kind of play the devil's advocate to make to encourage them to think about what they're saying and just spark debate spark you know I mean conversation that's that sort of is from it comes yeah a bit of like YouTube hits the area where I think you know I get it people kind of think you are on this pedestal where you you're more important or you're you're bigger or you're famous for that and I don't buy into any of that people in the street when I speak to any anyone online I'm just the fan like I'm the same as anyone else I love many light and a wallet man you like to do well and it's as simple as that but for me this pedestal of like the the fame aspect of in stuff I don't I don't buy into that because at the end of the day justify like anyone else and that the purpose of the United stand is to encourage people to have their say yeah what it like first of all my sober us are actually massive you know your fans so we get over at least once a year every year at least few Troy to the last few years I've been a bit harder just because we haven't playing that well that's a bit like you don't know you want your money spent elsewhere yeah well like you know it is you go to the gate you go to every game so you know exactly what we're talking about well then I get when you obviously when you first met Mark like his work ethic is just unbelievable like I mean you're as is yours as well but the way he puts their content every day and drives the show forward like yourself and rants yeah like everyone around the world really appreciate it as well do you know what that that was that was the one of the most humbling things for me is that understanding that it is actually a global thing and I never understood that until we went on tour when we went to Singapore China Australia last year for pre-season tour that opened up my eyes to a whole new level of exposure superb in the world yeah exactly it literally is and you kind of know that we have a huge fan base but when just kind of experience it in other countries with people who try to speak English who recognized the channel or might recognize me but more importantly loved Manchester United it was so humbling it was so humbling interceder know I get messages that inbox is all the time of like people from Africa Tralee a China New York America and anyway all over the world just channel okay so yeah crazy crazy so that that really does Humble me and us on to just keep doing what we're doing but I just I just stay in the lane I really I don't know man I hate I hate to come across as if like you're on this pedestal war you know you're a super fan I don't really like that lay it will like I get that it can happen but I just see it as it's now my do you eater to to get to all these games and give that perspective and give behind the scenes where I can and diversify the content as much as possible because some people literally like they don't never get chance to go to Castle never get a chance to go to an away game they'll never get chance to see my own UI play and if I can if we can can help you know give that view and experience the people who can it can make them feel more connected to the club then we're doing our jobs yeah appearances I suppose it's one of those things where the only reason that people might actually just put that up Australian pencil with someone like you know either their Sounders back you actually do get that slight bit of actually inside into the pro to get that a little bit more access to the players and Cyndi's which is phenomena like that's what people want to see they want to see behind-the-scenes footage while you go from Boyd at the United stand is net radius yeah I think you know what that that wasn't easy to come about a lot of people again I keep referring to people who talking crap and the haters and stuff because there's a lot of lies out there a lot of lies get put out there hold the United stand is owned by a media company and they're under payroll of United and all that if people understood the limps that I've gone to on European away games and stuff to get into behind-the-scenes access they wouldn't believe it I'm talking that the most amount of blag in and and and and talking to the right people just to try and get that access before the content and we're actually then transpired into having a good relationship with the club and being able to get little bits of access here and there and and you know at the end of the day I think that that that side of it has been really exciting I think it's added to the viewing experience I mean fan channels being in press conferences has never been heard of before when I saw that when I saw that I felt like he did that for the fans it was absolutely brilliantly absolutely we did and you know what I could go in there and ask a bunch of questions that I would and on a personal level but literally our message mark once we started getting that type of access and say look put a poll out what does every what did the fans want to see and that's how that pop the question come about which all the newspapers and news outlets were running with the following date and wanted to know and like a lot of other stuff but that that took a lot of grafted to be on that for that to happen that took us to be in a lot of press conferences first of all by accident and sneaking in secondly being allowed in but they're not being allowed to ask any questions because it's like hold on a minute that our journalists and even you know absolutely we've got good friends now Simon Pete's one of them great guy always been really cool he works for the press association James Cooper at Sky Sports he's been following Manchester United for a good like 20 years 17 years someone like that brilliant guy and it's not they don't like you guys it's that they just don't understand you guys enough well you know he's right additional journalists probably doesn't look like us and I don't mean by skin color I mean just by walking in with your hat backwards and hoodies I'm weather you know and I kind of just went in there and the biggest the biggest kind of hoo-hah was cause when I kind of when I was asked my first question to ollie and I referred to as his wheat I didn't give a I was like yeah we're Manulife and we're a fan Channel I don't work for the Daily Express with a son or or Sky Sports I'm the kenai as as we at community of men at Manchester United fans that's why I'm here in here representing the same way James coupe was in there wearing his sky fleece I mean they're wearing united stand election dice like that's that's what I'm representing so um yeah we we'd say we all the time and like people are watching this now I'm sure there are some fans or whatever fans are watching like they'd say we as well if as well yeah I mean hundred percent and that's that's what it's all about like I'm in there representing the fans and being a voice for the fans I think that's one thing that we've noticed as well we've sort of pride well no but me Mario as energized of employee float media for dancing so I think cause were sort of almost seen as like a social media channel or like all our stuff is on the Internet we're almost a glass of credentials then you know you're yours Times newspaper when realistic people like the only person read no where's times is probably like 50 year old like if you want your actual you know target audience males 1835 yummy bacon doors go in that target what is changing I had a good conversation with a couple of journalists who I'm good friends with and we have a lot of interesting talks and one of the biggest things that made my ears prick up was his was his realization that actually or his acceptance basically that like you said about the audience right they're like who they're trying to appeal to the average older person picking up the newspaper that audience is dying in the wave football and sport in general weight everything is consumed is different now it's online that's all the mobile device is hold if exactly people want this kind of content on tap on their phones on their tablets everywhere on it on their TV every day and I think that is what is you know you only got a look at the mainstream media now sky had me on the transfer daily stuff and no no bringing you on so because they understand it they need a piece of the audience they're like hold on a minute where the mainstream guys are out we've dominated for this this space for so long but actually where is the UT were in a very comments came into it it's like well who are these guys they're just morons on the internet who have no knowledge they have no accreditation they have no brain basically they're just comedians or they're just Wally's basically I think that's how they were looked upon and I think that mold has been that thrown out the water now smashed out the ballpark because they're seeing that we can articulate ourselves we can create amazing content and most importantly we're capturing audiences at levels that these guys could not even dream of I think I was gonna say just quickly yeah to me the presenters hubs like are wearing suits and you don't even know who they support so yeah like I watched listen to this only supplement I've seen love the show but main presenter he's actually even had some girls have taken over now but then it's like a different group so like I think I'm gonna like end up leave now but then when Thurman Chef very much he's cougar yeah no yeah he seemed very cool you do the transfer talk or like there's only so many to confer so you can talk about and then you're sort of like you're dawn as well yeah I just think all must corporate are corporations now have a social media person so therefore like obviously the skysport social media person there's like gonna be all over you go is not over Google found channels to get you goes in because they know if you go there on TV that means clicks for them um you know in like Aaron's fighting for the cliques online there so like so I think it only makes sense have you guys in there and that look I think you're the most subscribed man you know in fan channel a bomb does not yeah in the world officially yeah breezy the rise has just been unbelievable when I first started on the channel you know one hundred twenty thousand subscribers that was that was in September 2017 its you gone to the game flex that's changed it because you're actually more people involved yeah I think I think it's definitely added it helped with that I think it's it's definitely added a lot of value to the channel in terms of just a different viewer experience I think what Mark does which I think white works very well is Mark is almost like the king of live live streaming and watched her lungs and stuff for that he was like the first person about doing that really miss space and he really really locked that down but what I really respect mark for is that he could have just gone actually I've started this channel it's me in this room and I've got an audience online look why I've you know I've got over the hundred thousand subs from you know not even having to go to the games but he didn't do that what he did do was think how could I diversify this how can I build this I don't want it to just be about me me me me and that allowed myself to come in with new ideas and stuff like that in the camera guys that we work with to just really diversify the content and add to the viewing experience and that's what it's done when there's some people who never watch Frank comes there's some people who think I hate to watch that because all it is is people who are reactionary because they're angry because they've just lost the game or too happy because they've won a game and it's too reactionary for me I'd prefer to watch the walks and lawns there are some people like that there are some people who don't watch the watch long who only watch Frank and some people can't stand mark some people can't stand me some people can't stand rental they just take a little bit of what they like but what it's about it's not really about who wins a popularity contest it's about providing the most well-rounded channel for any type of viewer and I think that is where we've where we've done well and that's why we've seen the subscribers jump up yes I've been watching since years ago when they care I mean there's glycol Alex who's on the show like that's how long ago was poured air it win lose or draw and make sure I watch because like in like I know those we were so close in two great times but then the times and then we're good just on the rise again so you're gone you're gone through this rollercoaster so they the gold times are great and the shear times are bad but you can't just be like oh yes we want you know like real fans will understand yeah 100% 100% attendees head I heard you see the rest the season play of flats now will we continue to play Premier League football this here or a week squash the season start again ah I think because the virus is so ever changing its changing from day to day to week to week which will be month to month I think it's too early to write off I don't think you know even though I've seen off a lot of the women's game and the lower leagues you know which is which is which is quite harsh and there's a reason why they haven't done that to the Premier League and stuff like that because of the money that they generate so when they wouldn't write that off they're going to leave that to the last second I think I think the people involved ie the Premier League and the club's their number one aim is to finish the season when safe to do so and I think that's right I don't think even when people were trying to talk about this let's just end the season as it is and that's where people finish absolutely not you can't do that I think it's really simple you want a dieter no they don't they don't even want to be handed to League and play to those fans fans who who waited 30 years you were just kind of giving it even though yeah they were probably gonna win it it doesn't have the same shine does it so I think to answer your question I think if the we're getting to the peak of this pandemic at the moment up in the next couple weeks would be particularly bad were seeing that if we start to come out of that better on the other side and we get to say there's definite gonna be any obviously all of this I don't think they'll be football most of May I think back end of May maybe early July we could we could see it which if they can find a way to encapsulate that into next season then I think we could well see it happen I don't think we'll see fans going to games for sure I think it does come back but I'm still clinging on to the fact that it will but that's not to say that it won't because like I said this the Covina and Tina's really ever changing and I think there will have to be a cut-off point where they go right it's now the beginning of July and we're not even off locked down yet for example I'm not saying that's going to happen but we don't even know when we're going to definitely be off lockdown so for players to even be able to come out and play games and coach stuff and you know and these games need to be on TV so you need to get TV cameras there and broadcasters so press conferences as well you know exactly all the Google Hangouts I mean and get that but again exactly it would need to be really thought about so I I'm clinging on to the fact that it still can potentially happen but who knows okay so you know to get top four will we yeah well we were going in a good direction weren't we I mean since Bruno has come everything's just chased been an old trafford since Bruno's after arrival brilliant to be fair it wasn't in the first the first game he played which was wolves at home nil nil yeah that was a bit of anticlimax but again it was more of a realization that you know this guy can't just come in and change everything but then after that he did so he's been fantastic but I think more to do with so shot in the last 11 games of school would like 29 goals and conceded like eight and we were starting to put a good run together close the gap down to three points Chelsea and there was also play for was about to play Spurs who were in a real bad position we were favourites for that game and I think this this pause in the season is gonna be really weird when or if we do come back because a lot of teams would have gathered some momentum got some players back you know you look at the likes of Spurs whenever we play them next I have all their players backs it again they were on their asses when we was about to play them and even us though is the chance to get Pogba back Rushford back so there's every chance we can get fourth will we do it I'm gonna be optimistic young a couple of tough but so they're running for for Chelsea's quite tough I think they still what play Liverpool they still got to play someone else difficult I can't I think it's man city but there's difficult games all around as well so yeah getting full what you my in my head flat so I'm like we should try and cut to Leicester and they have beaten catch Leicester because I think they're about 10 points ahead of us BAM we end up in the top four automatically yeah head you're constantly our stood three points behind was throw three points behind and then next thing you know I'm like god bless her and herd and then like would ask me in the top four I think we do it especially a rat robot get her back I think were doing really well at the moment you know that tells his team's been soaking miss and I think that's not I mean when the English media like Lampard was like geez he's doing brilliant and then tells her I was like mmm I don't know about boar you know all right what do you think don't forget about a month a man said he might be in the champions in the next two years as well so it could be that's still unconfirmed aim as high as possible we've got to because ya don't know where what's gonna end up you know if you aim high and get slightly below that then you said just you're still in it I think it's a tough battle tough battle but you're right Chelsea been inconsistent mean consistent all season and the amount of pressure that all he's been under it kind of makes you think actually well when you think about he's only three points off Lampard you know played well in some of the big games some of the teams that we say won't look how wolves are playing etc well we're above them only just but we are all he's done a lot of good I think I'm not saying he's gonna win us the Premier League title I'm not saying he's gonna win us a Champions League but I definitely think he's done the best in terms of laying some some serious foundations that we can go forward on you just look at the buys that he's bought and the the feeling around the club how the players feel you know I feel he's just changed that dynamic and had to get rid of players who didn't want to be there and the types of plays he's boring in the mold you look at the likes of Fernandez McGuire and bussaco yes James is getting there he's a slow progress but just those players i cemented straightaway the sack of brilliant been absolutely fantastic McGuire yes captain oust slowly coming into great form being a leader being command in that game against Evan it was used as header after header off the head at like being you know showing that commanding style Bruno we know all about him already he's changing the types of players that we get and you know will he hit the dragon Rockford winter weather there Alpine top golf for and the seasons well right would having his best siient season Fred looking the new player Mitama knee being excellent so even if the players marshy I'll do him well so even the players we already had I think he's done well to kind of improve them brought in young Brandon Williams you've done well he's actually probably even ended up making Luke Shore raise his game as well so we're not there yet but I think there's science you know that it could go go to in the next 18 months I don't think a go to ship next season you know could season we could we've got what eight nine games left we could be on the wrong end the results and end up finished in six or seven you know the thing is know they're now playing with confidence compared to the previously they were absolutely okay I heard you say heard her once we went one nail down everyone shot their pants well like yes there would almost looks like an ollie team as well cause he got McCoy he got Wamba soccer he got Bruno he got a Gallo they gave me a multi million good players here as well but like Oh Don James like all them players were playing recently and that's I think there was six players in staring eleven and they were all by places by a soldier so I mean that's a soldier a team and you see it out there about that you've got to give props to my no I speak to a lot of fans who are all these staunchest critics and and and you know you guys watch each I know there's a lot of people I speak to who don't think he's the right man and never have probably never will there's nothing you can do to win them over but I just like to look at things all in and yes there are some question marks over song shot in game management tactics philosophy playing style I get it but you've got to give credit where credit's due in terms of what you just said they're very like so I'm gonna plays he's brought in you can't take that away from him he's brought those players in yeah well it was the brew it Brunel was that I think was a missing piece well they're here we may have I'll talk about the another team just before like we get to enter now it's poor they're what to make it you know team right now and like we're public come back into the team like what do you think we really need some your opinion as well right right side Amadeo my question on his head and go name to players that are gonna make Chalmers League and Heather's next year you know I think we all agree that we're looking for top four who do we need to get in to make us you know Henry Lee cucumbers be contenders next year we've gotta get a right right I know about Jay Jay Jay Jay Monsanto it would be a phenomenal signing like you know you think of a front free of martial regime and Sancho that's that's up there that's frightening that's crazy I've got that front free on FIFA yeah and let me tell you it banks yeah so I think we have to try and go all out for him but even if we don't get him you know it's like when these rumors start circulating it already see what the summers going to be like I know we don't know what's gonna be like in terms of the transfer window works like but we can see what its head in in terms of - jayden Santos either you can just feel it's gonna happen willie wony what's going to happen but if we get him I think that could help turn us into challenges along with another holding midfielder I know that George the jury's out with the partners for herring require a centre-back a lot of people say in the loss to lightweight obviously everybody can't stay fit enough to in davie he's there or there abouts for hasn't really been given a proper shot so a lot people saying we need that proper top notch second world class defender alongside McGwire to compliment him yeah we're pace yeah with pace I think we do need a better partner for McGwire but if you never know if buy it buy it could be that guy but I don't feel in the loss as bad as everyone maybe makes out I think don't get me wrong this question marks over him sometimes err really and stuff for that but he's putting a lot of good performances this year matter it's easy as fans to want something different all the time but you look at our defense and like you said they're by the way that we're defending now is very confident he's really built something there I like I said can you buy a better left back the nukes or can you buy back have them in the lot yes but what we need right now in order to turn us into title contenders is a right-wing or I think an another central midfielder I think if we can get those two out I did I was in the camp of saying we need a proper striker like a number nine number nine you know the like the likes of a hurricane around him and there's I keep mentioning around him isn't on any video that I've been doing people ask me a lot last week and I think cause you played with so many times in the lot in the short space of time I've seen firsthand just how good he is reminisce easy is quality but I think the main aspect needs to be a right winger and an essentially field I think if we get that and maybe understand a half any names there effect yeah I know I know indeed he's been linked a lot well I don't think necessarily linked but spoken about my mind United fans because he'd be perfect no Arsenal won him as well who didn't want indeed he someone of that ilk Thomas party Madrid I think he's been brilliant I mean you only got a look at that game he had against Liverpool when they knocked them out to have a week which was fantastic um you know that box too but dynamic or someone you can just sit in front as well as have a good engine someone like him I know we probably would get can't a but I'd take him all day long as well someone someone like that and play man his rightful position prior to time yeah hundred percent easy quality he's brilliant he really is to random shows they're about three random sheds first of all they're Pathan game is available for free in the season Giroux is available for free of the other season I'm Willie an orbit is available just cause it'll I might if we're gonna whatever we're parties they're made on the gays sort of be game players out yes hundred percent I mean I we are linked with him we've done a couple of shows under and again he possesses a lot of attributes that you know you would need working in that part of pitch but you know if you you know you looking at Bruno you looking at Padma you looking at again like making they're sounding years or Thomas pop or something like that that's literally almost the best you can get you do I mean not far off along with other combinations it's as good as any top midfield you'd see in the world so yeah definitely take sound against a proper player by you know a lot of players that are taken not even necessarily I it's almost like I think we're at the stage where we need to get the best of the rest - then solidify to be like a constant top four and then push on from there so you look at like you look at like Lester's team for example you look at teams like that and you know and a Wolves you take players from those teams and putting them into your own then you become like a force within the Premier League you know I mean then you kind of kick on and then get your your upper echelon players like a Sancho and you know like so when we talk about a Grealish or Madison indeed the these types of players I love jaar I liked are at wolves I think he's phenomenal I think he's brilliant son a Spurs brilliant even try Lori at Wolves brilliant nevers good player these types of players on that if you put them all into it a well-oiled machine with the likes of a Moscow with the like single pod bar then it's got a supply enough power McGwire and another Center half then it's got the hair and then no you're then building something special I don't think you necessarily have to go and try to buy and bappy or go and buy a Neymar or I mean or Griezmann or I just feel like we can get Premier League proven players who are very good and be a force and I think that's that's what we should be looking at also as well Roy we should get Bobby a name I think the base of United now it is very is solid now from what it was yeah the Foundation's the foundation I think it is find like I think that is you can I think every annoying fantasy I think I think every fan can see in there they're like oh especially since period okay bull 8 to 1 mile we had talked about before we let you get on with your day Paul Pogba like obviously he's been talking now on the TV well online I'm sure he has to do it after and it like it they're like here you got like for the ground a week you have to do something for ya for that like you have to talk say so border where'd you what to sort of seenu's conversation situation cause like people love them people hate them like as you know defiance you can infuriate your because you like he has been annoyed but this is almost a new team he's coming into it is and that is you know just quick firstly on that you have to look at it like phases like different phases some players operate in the team that pod was coming back into will be slightly different it will especially with it with that acquisition of Brunner and just the way the teams playing in general yeah exactly yes people saying you know this just proves we don't need progbar anymore except to et cetera listen pod but I think people are quick to forget when Papa had that patch of form when all he first came in got three months he was unreal he was doing what Bruno's doing plus more to be honest and ability wise like I just done an interview edenian he said if you were gonna paint or mold essential midfield of scratch it would look like Paul Pogba I know the media circus around him and the age and stuff if you put that to the side I'm talking about pure football in a Billy and you'd want someone of his stature his speed his strength his skill his parts in range you've got you do you know I mean he's got everything and that but that is where the frustration comes from because we know he has everything I just think that he put himself in a difficult position last year because you know once you come out and make comments like I'm looking for a new challenge you know transy is are gonna pre-cut you know far and they're gonna start saying okay well you don't want to be a gal I can leave as well you know exactly I think he came here 2016 being told everything's gonna you're gonna get this player around you we're gonna build to that and look what he's coming from winning the World Cup playing big games playing Champions League finals competing for titles within Syria and he wants to compete at the highest level why would he you know he's Paul Pogba and he's worked when he's 26 getting into the the peak these these 25 26 now peak of his powers this is where he really is that the peak of his you know career and I don't wants to you know some of the team's he's been playing in some of the plays has been playing with it's been terrible I know he's gotta be a team player and be never I know in today's his career and you can't expect so just sit and waste their careers has he handled it the best with the agent no I die I say that on the Flex around show a lot of the time where know if you arts rents as you guys know public and do absolutely no wrong I do think he has to take some criticism with the waste handle it because it in they could to tell his agent sharp he can he pays his agent his agent represents him just say me no just just shut up just don't say anything please he can come out all it is here 100% I don't think he's got the best brother he's promised probably even worse going into the French team as well the part you take the PSA will be like you're in the Europa League we're win the champion seeing hundred percent so I think you'll end up staying which I was really surprised about up until I asked only really only said you can expect him to stay but more so if we get real I say I see why but I just feel you know what is I just feel like you like if won't let him know they didn't let him leave last year he's got two years left on his contract or year plus an extension which they can activate make him stay two years and I don't think for how people like to try and paint Papa he's not the sort of player who would down tools and refused to play and he has been injured this ease and people saying conspiracy theories he wasn't really injured and all this he was injured you know they rushed him back he got injured again and needs another operation I've seen his medical receipts and some some some cannulas and stuff and just a pretender he was you know in a hospital yeah Affleck 70s Troy you start next season who's tired to midfield for my Noida Papa Bruno another missile did on me and then Fred or Nancy isn't that but you know what yeah I know I don't you know so that's what I was gonna say cuz I was I was at solos oh sub question because I was actually gonna say I reckon like the Tommy would be in there all frayed because these guys I was one of my speakers as critics before January in terms of I just kind of thought at Mitama need done a job displaced them and we don't need much anymore but you know fair play to match man I think he come in after January after Scott's injury done absolutely brilliantly fred is a different player this year unbelievable unbelievable so I it's weird because we're kind of what kind of well stocked in central midfield now but we still need that player who's like outstanding in that position matam and he's a young player still learning still growing still excelling and he will Matt it's there's only gonna be a year or two left in him and Fred you know as a rotation player squad player the minute he's the focal point of our midfield the integral part of our midfield but if you do get someone better than Fred or as good as Fred but we want bad and you know you can swap it around we want we want those selection problems I think where we've been as United friends in the last few years is that if we don't have our start in 11 hour and even I starting 11 has been great it's like we ruined you know I mean not a skit is this the end for jailings I I said I think Lynn God I've read doesn't agree but I think link I should move for his own good I know yeah I don't I don't I don't get on the bandwagon of calling and and saying he's crap and he shouldn't playing in the in the championship I still think jesse is better than what he's showing us I think he's in the real bad bad patch of form and I think if he was honest with himself I think he'd always been going on around him has really affected him you can see it he's just believed it doesn't it doesn't I think he's never going to change in terms of you the pay was easier though flex might annoy I was like hey more bomb hetero social media and like you just get out in clowned yes it's because it's because he's a social media King like in terms of he's always out there trying to be silly he's always living his best life win lose or draw and sometimes some of his post might be a bit a little bit all love but for me my biggest grievance which is it's not the fat days on social media I don't really I don't mind players being on this a new way just a new dawn like he's he's a young guys like I know Jesse's not young anymore but I mean like you know what Sony yeah exactly but just the way that they use and Jesse's almost bigger on social media as in either he is as a player in terms of skill and ability but and that that shouldn't be the way around but I don't regret plays being on social media clowning around having a good time like I don't mind that because they're human beings but I think they've gotta show performances on the pitch and for Jesse of self think he's gone with variola now as well as and he I he's not gonna get game start in the second toy scene Fernandez and to say oh no Tommy then you have managed Fred I mean mother instead of filming exactly I mean like you and that's why because he's not gonna he's not gonna get any game time especially with Bruno coming now I'm Punk we're gonna be fit again that's your starting team of attacking midfielders there you need defensive balance in that midfield after that he's not getting in on the wings you know even Dan James you'd argue well is more effective than Jessie right now now in terms of how direct than James is and how quick he is and yeah might not make the right decisions but he's more effective Rapids got the left side lock down and I'll see link I'll cop out front so he's not gonna get he's not gonna get game so I think he needs to look at it and think where does he want to go within you know he's what 27 now he's got a few years left at the top be nice to look at actually where does he want to go for his career yeah a good show could be every single cut because of what just happened with Jack really or well good show could be you could Jesse could go back to Lester where he was previously unknown as part of with money and we get Madison that could be a potential show yeah that could be I mean and even on realism and Madison just quickly guys like I know you guys think but like it's weird because where do they fit in though I know I know they definitely they definitely don't get into a star yeah because we we'd be like three under very like three on top so rational Michelle Sancho hopefully then we have like so Bruno and then Pablo being left and maybe my sauce on the right don't fit in it doesn't really fit in but but I mean you want in terms of comments the bench you look at what city of built you know two players for every position they can bring Mara's off the bench or Bernardo silver or davits sonic so that is where don't go and get greenish or Madison but we have to go and get these guys with them know in actually you're really part of a bigger project you're not gonna be starting every week you know we part of this squad that has quality in every position to to quality players in every position I think that's the way we need to go we need that we've been scrimping the bowel for quality we've seen as soon as social I changed his team this year but when we changed it for Europa League or changed it for care about carp or whatever it wasn't it wasn't as free-flowing we almost have to play a best team every game yeah I mean so I would I would welcome the like of the lights as having you know strength in depth yeah same here before we go let's go flex who was your players he's for me once Ackerman I'm soccer Fred is up there Fred's been brilliant Bradford people forget that rats would and as well as he was doing just before he got injured the period before I wasn't doing so well was in the real bad patch before I know which kind of it ran on it ran on from last season you know last season he was in a real bad patch of form he started wedding in Chelsea or scoring a penalty and another goal but after that was a little bit barren but then he hit so big up to rush waiting done really well best scores going of his career marshals out there through Brandon Williams is out there but for me it's quite b1 boosts Ackerman I think since day dot from when I saw him on tour against Perth Glory was his first game and then I was get the perfect boy I was like wow and then for the whole tour he was amazing then from the date of the Premier League against Chelsea all the way through to now solids ar7 almost every game brilliant hey my player of the season made seven and eight shot attempts for him me brilliant yeah well you know he's your parities and it is between Fred and Wamba soccer but like one Misaka has blown me away and you know he's had a good season when Jamie Carragher gives him the massive sheriff massive sheriff yeah for me it's Fred I just think thread thread like consumed another party was like a 50-million Ukrainian Brazilian flop I was like I was like hello soldier managed to do that cuz like he just looked so like own fish lady and a step behind them mask you know he's like our absolute engine in midfield so like when we go one bussaco i knew he was brilliant attacking people latina I was like I know he's gonna be bored as opposed to Fred just turns back around and there's a chair there to Brandon Williams for a Roizen star yeah definitely I think I was him in green wasn't there probably be young young young player of the year probably but with the young players of the season as I think Mason's been fantastic because he hasn't he hasn't started anywhere near as much games as we might 40 would of but every time he's been called upon he's scored and played well man so yeah I think I between him Brian Williams definitely beyond players of the year well flex it's been absolutely brilliant talking to a fellow United supporter I'm sure everyone does tune in is enjoy the show rotten bum wrap it up for watching like share subscribe all ah jazz will tide flats and this so you can catch up on all his social channels chameleon and stay energized yes they energized for sure man French Avignon really enjoyed it guys keep up the hard work and now we've done this actually I can't wait until all this is bone over because we're gonna have a good good night on Dublin yeah absolutely I'll have you on the show again Bennion double cut a hundred percent man I love that and you know I'm not a massive Guinness fan actually so you can get me telling some traditional proper Guinness that's all no worries don't worry we'll be on the whiskey she was coming on yeah